Cde Dominic You are not an authority on marxism you are a copy cat and a maniac, qouting in French, russian and any language that excited you. You think that the Swazi struggle is a distorted marxist lecture. I suspect that you have never even seen what this Swaziland looks like irrespective of the proximity to SA. I rest my case on this topic. I just hope cde Jabavu has been following these discussions so that he can engage with himself on the issue of the so called talks about talks. Im no longer interested in your marxist ectremism cde Dominic. I suspect you are one of the keep left comrades.
Regards Yours in the struggle for a liberated world On 12 Nov 2011 12:47, "Dominic Tweedie" <dominic.twee...@gmail.com> wrote: > > You are a careless Khrushchev. So be it. > > You oblige me to repeat, and as Karl Marx used to say, *repetitio est > mater studiorum. *There is that small consolation. > > As I predicted, you could not get out the phrase "Democratic Republic of > Swaziland". You had to mumble it into something else called "democratic > state". That is because you want to leave the back door open for your > miserable fiddle of a half-baked "constitutional monarchy", which is not a > republic. > > Nobody said that unions are reactionary. If you had read more of Karl Marx > and Joe Slovo you would maybe know the difference between reformist, which > all trade unions are, and reactionary, which is something else. > > If you had studied Lenin in a comfortable, air-conditioned office, or > studied him anywhere else like a library or a home, or by candle-light, or > by blogs and e-mails which you seem to like and yet at the same time find > embarrassing, then you might know the difference between reactionary and > reformist. > > You should not be embarrassed about your love for e-mail. It is not like > flying. It does not take you off the ground. Sorry to keep mentioning Lenin > but I think it is apt to recall that Lenin says somewhere that it is > treason not to equip yourself with the latest means, because the class > enemy will defeat you if you do not. So embrace the e-mail, dear Cde > Khrushchev, and do not feel ashamed of it. > > Finally I note your careless reference to Tunisia and Egypt. I wonder what > you think has happened there? Because if it is the case that the > reactionaries, the Imperialists and their running-dogs, have stolen the > "Arab Spring" and turned it by deception into a "Neo-Colonialism Spring", > then Swazis should give it quite a different interpretation from the one > you are putting on it. > > It would mean that the naive and trusting masses of those countries had > thrown away the very weapon of theory that was going to protect them from > the hi-jack of their revolution. Was that a good thing? I don't think so. > > What if the Swazi Spring turns out to be a bait-and-switch? How will you > ever know, if you have no theory? > > In the country of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. > > > VC > > > > > On 12 November 2011 10:26, nikita kruschev <newswazil...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Cde Dominic >> >> The NDR's task in swaziland's case is to destroy tinkhundla in all its >> entirety and replace it with institutions of a democratic state. When we >> characterise tinkhundla we always say semi-feudal growing capitalist system >> led by the mornachy or less the king. Why do you think some of us would >> choke when the subject of revolutionary dismantling the instution of the >> monarchy in all its entirety is concerned? You are very quick chief to make >> false judgements. We have travelled this road of liberating swaziland for >> over 15yrs now chief. We do not get briefed on what is happening in >> swaziland, we make it happen. We are not bloggers and email activists, we >> are on the ground. We know perspectives of this struggle not through wat >> marx or slovo etc said, but through wat we are doing. >> >> Unions being reactionary and Pudemo not being an entity are what you >> deduce when analysing the situation in marxist Leninist terms in a >> comfortable office. True as it is it doesnt help us wage a revolution here. >> The unions here are crucial as they were crucial in waging the struggle >> against arpatheid and the situation will not wait for a formation of a >> class conscious organisation of the proletariat. In fact it wont wait for >> any one, it happened in Egypt and Tunisia without even the existence at >> least an organisation no matter how nationalistic. So your concept of a >> bookish version where this will ignite that and then that will result in >> this is good to know and understand, but might never see the light. >> >> On 12 Nov 2011 07:38, "Dominic Tweedie" <dominic.twee...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> Cde Khrushchev, >>> >>> You are trying to get us to throw the class baby out with the Marxist >>> bath-water. >>> >>> Ray Russon's idea is slightly different. He wants to keep the Marxist >>> bath-water, while leaving the royal baby in the bath. >>> >>> We cannot do those things, comrade. >>> >>> Then, you want to erect PUDEMO as an independent actor, but it cannot be >>> that. >>> >>> PUDEMO, like the ANC, will either be the product of a class alliance, or >>> it will be nothing, in which case personalities will not save it. >>> >>> PUDEMO does not own anything. It is not a king, or a pretending king. >>> >>> Further on, you want to put up some trade unions as leaders of a >>> political process along side of PUDEMO, when you surely know that trade >>> unions are by nature reformist and not revolutionary institutions. >>> >>> The political class leadership of the working class is not a trade >>> union, comrade. Workers may strike for revolutionary change and the unions >>> may assist in organising those strikes, but unions by themselves will not >>> be able to make revolution. There will have to be proletarian class >>> leadership at the political level, above the trade union level. >>> >>> You want to foreclose all sorts of possibilities. But it is not for you >>> to do so at this stage, any more than it is for Ray Russon to come and tell >>> us what we cannot do. >>> >>> The possibilities will grow in proportion to the degree of >>> conscientisation of the masses, and the corresponding degree of >>> self-organisation of the masses. The apparent limitations will shrink as >>> the collective revolutionary subject becomes more distinct and exerts its >>> free will. >>> >>> Our work is already cut out. It is to educate, to organise and to >>> mobilise, as the midwives of the revolutionary mass collective subject. >>> >>> The revolutionary masses themselves will dictate the limits, and not >>> you, me, or Ray Russon. And if Swaziland should decide to be the reddest >>> revolutionary republic in Africa, please do not be caught on the wrong side >>> of it, Cde Krushchev. And if it should decide to be largely capitalist in >>> form, please don't be saying that it was because of "context". The free >>> will of the revolutionary masses will decide the matter one way or the >>> other, and not somebody reading bones in advance, or somebody outside >>> crying foul before, during or afterwards, like an Infantile Disorder. >>> >>> As the revolutionary will-power of the masses becomes clearer, so at the >>> same rate will dozens of individuals seek to run in front and substitute >>> themselves for the masses, whether as Muzorewas, or as Mobutus, or as >>> Julius Malemas, or like the series of "false Dmitris" in old Russia for >>> that matter. >>> >>> Swaziland does not need more pretenders. It does not need a king. It >>> needs a democratic republic. >>> >>> The test of sincerity at the moment is whether you can get the words >>> "Democratic Republic of Swaziland" out of your mouth without choking. >>> >>> Can you, Cde Khrushchev? >>> >>> >>> VC >>> >>> >>> >>> On 12 November 2011 03:02, nikita kruschev <newswazil...@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> For me I sincerely believe that the best process inorder for swaziland >>>> to attain a society free of the semi feudal tinkhundla oppression, a >>>> society which adresses the inequalities and oppression brought about and >>>> pepetrated by patriachal society prior and post tinkhundla, a society which >>>> opens a window of opportunity economically, of course with its inherent >>>> capitalist limitations in the present epoch, a society that opens up >>>> political space and all the attributes that it brings is the National >>>> Democratic Revolution, led by the alliance of Pudemo and organised labour, >>>> participating through their unions. All other formations that make up the >>>> bulk of the Mass Democratic Movement remaining active in the principal >>>> struggle and their sectional struggles who in total contribute to achieving >>>> the goals of the NDR. >>>> >>>> Im am sure therefore that a successful NDR does not present the >>>> working class with opportunities of what would be achieved had we >>>> undertaken a socialist revolution led by a class conscious party of the >>>> working class. I am bringing this summary of what character and form can >>>> the present struggle assume if properly managed by the players as mentioned >>>> above so that we do not either lose focus of what we can achieve by either >>>> being overly ambitious or expecting what this struggle cannot achieve. >>>> >>>> This struggle has nationalistic and socialist attributes though not in >>>> thier pure form. Its therefore a contested struggle typical of the >>>> organisation that should lead it, whether Pudemo is doing it or not is not >>>> my preoccupation in this discussion. This then suggest that any meaningful >>>> talks must happen within the context of these elements, led by these forces >>>> as explained above. Any negotiations which are not owned and driven by >>>> these forces have an inherent weakness of not being properly located to >>>> adress the fundamental objectives of thd NDR. Consultants cannot >>>> manufacture a worker biased negotiated settlement because they lack a >>>> mandate since they are not a leading motive force in their class character >>>> in as far as this task is concerned. Negotiations are a site of struggle >>>> and the NDR embraces meaningful negotiations. There should therefore be no >>>> delegation of power to lead negotiations by the motive forces of this >>>> revolution let alone hijacking of the process of negotiations. The process >>>> must be owned and led by Pudemo, in alliance with trade unions and other >>>> organs of the MDM. >>>> >>>> Quite noting also is that the regime cannever seriously negotiate >>>> unless it accepts losing ground on the battlefield or failing to manage its >>>> internal contradictions to a point of absolute parralysis, seeking a way to >>>> survive. When it is still capable of governing fully without any threat, >>>> why would they negotiate? >>>> >>>> Also comrades should not confuse this with a struggle for socialism. >>>> Any comrade who expects absolute and strict adherence to marxism either as >>>> a tool of anaslysis or as a guiding ideological framework for this struggle >>>> is failing to understand the nature and character of this struggle. >>>> Remember that you will still have Mandelas who are absolutely not >>>> communists as importan, strategic and popular leaders of these >>>> organisations particulary Pudemo. Sometimes even to quote Marx becomes not >>>> strategic rather you could break in consumable particles what marx said >>>> without even mentioning his writings. Thats has compromising and strategic >>>> we will get inorder fk achieve the objects of the NDR >>>> >>>> On 11 Nov 2011 23:30, "mlungu che" <mlungu...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Up to this point comrade ray hasn’t attempted half of the questions >>>> raised so far ,but interestingly the cat is out of the bag comrade Ray , In >>>> 2001 as part of your project which you have openly stated that you are so >>>> committed to ,I would rather point your addiction to unprincipled >>>> settlements or rather foreign funded settlements in the acquiring of you >>>> personal freedom through a negotiated settlement with the enemy ,the main >>>> question rather is that of an unfunded constituency rather a conscious >>>> constituency, I hope the farm workers wouldn’t allow to be used for dirty >>>> trick, comrade Ray where is this mandate from? >>>> >>>> You are very quick to defend your negotiations with quotes from either >>>> Marx or Lenin, as you did in 2001 where you defended the junk you came to >>>> confuse PUDEMO with, that time it was Lenin’s response to the German >>>> socialist ,on whether to participate on bourgeoisie parliament .You seem to >>>> forget the correct application of Marxist theory in the different terrains >>>> and conditions, A. *Spirkin* puts it clear on the principle of >>>> causality that ‘it is the genetic connection of phenomena through which one >>>> thing (the cause) under certain conditions gives rise to causes something >>>> else (the effect) ‘ –meaning that the pronunciations of Lenin were in >>>> conformity with the prevalent conditions and remains consistent in the >>>> background of the matter outside time and space (cause being the condition >>>> and effect the diagnosis).Marxism is not a dogma comrade Jabavu it should >>>> also be applicable in Swaziland based on the material conditions ,that >>>> confirm the real resolve of the main contradiction that exist between the >>>> Ruler and the Ruled, where by the ruler is using all the institution of >>>> governance against the intrest of the Ruled. I think the Project would be >>>> much relevant with the AUDP an organization led by of your learned friend >>>> Sibusiso popular known as Holomisa. >>>> >>>> Mr Jabavu what happened to the R7 million you had promised PUDEMO it >>>> would get if it allowed its demise by entering the tinkhundla elections? >>>> >>>> >>>> Chester >>>> >>>> On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Dominic Tweedie < >>>> dominic.twee...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Nobody has accused you of dishonesty for using a pseudonym, Cde Ray. >>>> > >>>> > I did not expose you... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> NEW!!!! SSN FORUM IS ON FACEBOOK!!!! >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to t... >>>> >>>> -- >>>> NEW!!!! 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