On Aug 4, 2007, at 5:58 PM, William Stein wrote:

> On 8/4/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Shoot, this came in as I sent that last message.  I have much less  
>> to say about
>> this version; it's very strong.  Part of me thinks that the  
>> mathematica quote
>> is too direct an attack... but it's from the horse's mouth, and I  
>> think that the
>> mathematical community needs to know.
>
> It is indeed *their* statement on the matter and it is what they
> strongly believe
> to be true.    It is critical to my argument that the reader be  
> convinced that
> current closed mathematical software is nothing like the situation
> with math papers -- with
> closed math software you can't just pay $25 and read the source (like
> you can with
> expensive journal articles.  No journal would *ever* dare make a  
> statement
> like Mathematica does about the proofs of the theorems they  
> publish.  Many
> mathematicians probably don't know this or believe it about
> mathematical software.
> It is very important that they realize the truth before it is too  
> late.

Though we all understand the principle, I don't think many people  
will (instantly) see the connection between software and proofs. I  
don't want to be to aggressive, but I think we need to state that  
point directly. I like how you worded it in this email--perhaps right  
after the quote something like.

No journal would *ever* dare make a statement like Mathematica does  
about the proofs of the theorems they publish, yet (here/increasingly  
commenly) the software and algorithms used are an essential part of  
(Jane's/the) proof.

- Robert


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