Also, for the benefit of the students you may possibly be
indoctrinating:

Please realize that WRI's marketing materials (aka documentation -
lol) make it seem like MMA can do anything (and so they might attempt
to use MMA in all their later courses - like me - which may not be
wise).

You could do much worse than teaching them SAGE, because then they
would learn the Python language and its libraries, which wouldn't be a
bad thing at all.

On Sep 14, 6:11 pm, Hamptonio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yeah, I have used mathematica for 17 years and I've pushed it very
> hard at times.  6.0 seems much buggier than previous releases, but
> they added and rewrote so much that I am not that surprised.  I still
> think its an amazing accomplishment, and for illustrating basic ideas
> in calculus I don't think anything matches it.
>
> I have submitted bugs to mathematica and gotten no response, so I know
> what you mean there as well.
>
> But I am committed to using and improving sage over the long haul,
> don't get me wrong.  I think the superiority of the development model
> will win on most fronts eventually.
>
> Cheers,
> Marshall
>
> On Sep 14, 5:50 pm, Chris Chiasson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > ... wait until you actually start pushing Mathematica, it gets
> > sluggish on you, produces wrong results and/or crashes, and you
> > receive apathy and blame dodging instead of tech support and bug
> > fixing.
>
> > On Sep 14, 3:31 pm, Hamptonio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Recently I started using Mathematica 6 in the computer labs of some
> > > courses I teach, and I cannot help but be impressed.  The new dynamic
> > > commands such as Manipulate are very impressive, and are perfect for
> > > teaching.  Before seeing how powerful it is, I had hoped to switch
> > > from using mathematica to sage in the fall of 2008.  But now I am not
> > > sure I can justisfy that switch or convince my colleagues it would
> > > make sense.  (As an aside: assume for the sake of argument that my
> > > department gets mathematica for free, which is true in a certain
> > > bureaucratic sense).
>
> > > For some sense of what mathematica can now do, check 
> > > out:http://www.wolfram.com/products/mathematica/newin6/content/DynamicInt....
> > > I actually think its more impressive in person.
>
> > > While I would like to help remedy the gap between sage and mathematica/
> > > matlab in this respect, I am not sure how it would be done.  I am
> > > learning a little about wxPython, but I don't think that would work
> > > through the notebook at all, unless a program was created on the
> > > server for download and byte-compilation by the client.  Does anyone
> > > have any ideas? If javascript is a possibility, can someone recommend
> > > a good reference for learning to use it for such complicated
> > > purposes?  Or is java an option?
>
> > > -Marshall


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