On Nov 25, 2007 4:06 AM, Ondrej Certik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Nov 25, 2007 5:19 AM, William Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > Some of the Sage developers are considering including Pyx
> > (http://pyx.sourceforge.net/)
> > in Sage (http://sagemath.org).    One issue is that I think Pyx is
> > currently licensed GPL v2 only.
> > Unfortunately Sage will soon have to start including several new
> > versions of GNU programs
> > such as GMP, GNUTLs, GSL, etc., and these are all licensed under "GPL
> > v3 or greater".
> > Also PolyBoRi (http://polybori.sourceforge.net/) will soon be in Sage,
> > and it is also "GPL v3"
> > licensed.  Unfortunately, it is a copyright violation to combine GPL
> > v2 and GPL v3 software
> > together and redistribute it, since the FSF decided to make GPL v3 be
>
> If it is true that SAGE is legaly unable to include GPL v2 only and
> GPL v3 only programs, not modifying them, not relicensing them, but
> just
> calling them from Python,

We're not talking about just calling them from Python.  If you take a
substantial
GPL v2 only Python library, take another substantial GPL v3 Python library, say,
then install them into Python, and redistribute the result, you're
creating a derived
work which according to GPL v2 must be GPL v2, but according to GPL v3 must
also be GPL v3.  Since v2 and v3 are mutually incompatible, this is a license
violation.

> then FSF did a terrible move, against the
> free software and against the end users, which GPL is supposed to
> protect.

Yes, FSF did indeed make a terrible move.   It seriously pisses me off.

Note that SAGE has *not* yet included any GPL v3 software yet -- if we
wanted to "take a stand against FSF though", it would require somebody forking
GSL, GMP, GNUtls, etc., etc..; I don't think anybody is seriously interested
in doing that.

 -- William

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