Hi Isuru,

   Thank you so much.  I missed your message yesterday, but I also asked on 
their forum and they made the same suggestion and said it would be fixed in 
3.11. I still asked the homebrew people to add a TARGET to their builds so 
hopefully that will get straightened out as well.

On Monday, October 12, 2020 at 11:04:41 PM UTC-4 isu...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Zachary,
>
> You might be hitting https://github.com/xianyi/OpenBLAS/issues/2728 which 
> is fixed in https://github.com/xianyi/OpenBLAS/pull/2729 but not in 
> 0.3.10.
>
> Isuru
>
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 10:01 PM Zachary Scherr <zsc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Isuru,
>>
>>    I've been trying to fix homebrew's openblas, and I'm running into an 
>> issue that I was hoping you might know something about.  If I build 
>> openBLAS with TARGET=HASWELL then I don't have any issues with numpy.  
>> However, if I build it with TARGET=NEHALEM, which is what they want for 
>> homebrew, then I still run into the same numpy error.  I see that 
>> Conda-forge uses TARGET=PRESCOTT, but if I try that I also run into the 
>> same numpy problem.  Do you have any insight into why this might be the 
>> case?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Zach
>>
>> On Monday, October 12, 2020 at 4:14:28 PM UTC-4 Zachary Scherr wrote:
>>
>>> Ah, thank you.  I'll post the issue and see if I can get homebrew to 
>>> resolve it!
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 12, 2020 at 2:29:10 PM UTC-4 isu...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> You don't need different TARGETs. `DYNAMIC_ARCH=1` means that it will 
>>>> detect at runtime what the CPU is and will use the kernel matching the CPU 
>>>> at runtime. `TARGET` gives the oldest CPU that this code will run on so 
>>>> that the common code is compiled to target this.
>>>>
>>>> Isuru
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 1:24 PM Zachary Scherr <zsc...@gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I posted about it on their discussion page, but I'm not sure there 
>>>>> will be anything they can do.  They build their libraries on several 
>>>>> different versions of MacOS, but I'm not sure they build with several 
>>>>> different TARGETS.  I can try to pursue this, but the easy fix for now is 
>>>>> that if people want to install openblas via homebrew they should install 
>>>>> from source.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, October 12, 2020 at 2:09:28 PM UTC-4 dim...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 6:17 PM Isuru Fernando <isu...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>> wrote: 
>>>>>> > 
>>>>>> > I looked at the openblas formula in homebrew and they are not 
>>>>>> passing the TARGET option. When using DYNAMIC_ARCH=1, a target should be 
>>>>>> specified. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> care to open an issue with them on 
>>>>>> https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew-core ? 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > 
>>>>>> > Isuru 
>>>>>> > 
>>>>>> > On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 11:34 AM Zachary Scherr <zsc...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>> wrote: 
>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>> >> In case anyone is curious, I've tracked the problem down to 
>>>>>> homebrew's openBLAS and so it has nothing to do with sage. If I build 
>>>>>> numpy 
>>>>>> from source through homebrew then I get exactly the same error using my 
>>>>>> system python3. I'm wondering if maybe this has something to do with the 
>>>>>> fact that openBLAS is bottled with a different processor type than the 
>>>>>> one 
>>>>>> that is on my system. In any case I'll ask over there and see if I can 
>>>>>> get 
>>>>>> some help. 
>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>> >> On Sunday, October 11, 2020 at 10:17:43 PM UTC-4 Zachary Scherr 
>>>>>> wrote: 
>>>>>> >>> 
>>>>>> >>> Hi Dima, 
>>>>>> >>> 
>>>>>> >>> My system-wide numpy is installed via pip. I was just remarking 
>>>>>> that I didn't build my system-wide numpy from source so it's not a fair 
>>>>>> comparison. It's possible that the issues aren't sage related but are 
>>>>>> related to building sage's numpy against some homebrew libraries. 
>>>>>> >>> 
>>>>>> >>> On Sunday, October 11, 2020 at 8:11:13 PM UTC-4 dim...@gmail.com 
>>>>>> wrote: 
>>>>>> >>>> 
>>>>>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 1:00 AM Zachary Scherr <zsc...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>> wrote: 
>>>>>> >>>> > 
>>>>>> >>>> > That also crashes with: 86622 segmentation fault ./sage 
>>>>>> --python 
>>>>>> >>>> > 
>>>>>> >>>> > I tested this both with building sage against homebrew python 
>>>>>> 3.8.6 and against sage's default python 3.8.5 and the same error 
>>>>>> occurred 
>>>>>> in both cases. I don't have this problem using my system-wide numpy so 
>>>>>> it's 
>>>>>> possible that because sage numpy is built from source that maybe one of 
>>>>>> my 
>>>>>> homebrew libraries is causing issues. I found 
>>>>>> https://github.com/numpy/numpy/issues/11551 which could be relevant 
>>>>>> and might indicate that it's not a sage problem. 
>>>>>> >>>> 
>>>>>> >>>> If you are talking about Homebrew's numpy, it should be more or 
>>>>>> less 
>>>>>> >>>> identical with Sage's numpy (assuming you use Homebrew's 
>>>>>> openblas in 
>>>>>> >>>> Sage) 
>>>>>> >>>> cf. 
>>>>>> https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew-core/blob/master/Formula/numpy.rb 
>>>>>> >>>> 
>>>>>> >>>> > 
>>>>>> >>>> > I should also add that if I lower the dimension of x to 100000 
>>>>>> then it works without problem. 
>>>>>> >>>> > 
>>>>>> >>>> > On Sunday, October 11, 2020 at 3:26:11 PM UTC-4 
>>>>>> dim...@gmail.com wrote: 
>>>>>> >>>> >> 
>>>>>> >>>> >> On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 8:14 PM Zachary Scherr <
>>>>>> zsc...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>>>>> >>>> >> > 
>>>>>> >>>> >> > Hi All, 
>>>>>> >>>> >> > 
>>>>>> >>>> >> > I was doing some bug hunting and noticed that scipy's 
>>>>>> pytests crashed pretty early. I tracked down exactly what was causing 
>>>>>> the 
>>>>>> problem and noticed it can be reproduced by the following sequence of 
>>>>>> commands: 
>>>>>> >>>> >> > 
>>>>>> >>>> >> > sage: import numpy as np 
>>>>>> >>>> >> > sage: x = np.random.randn(1000000,2) 
>>>>>> >>>> >> > sage: y = np.random.randn(2,2) 
>>>>>> >>>> >> > sage: x.dot(y) 
>>>>>> >>>> >> 
>>>>>> >>>> >> please test this in "plain" Sage python, i.e. does 
>>>>>> >>>> >> 
>>>>>> >>>> >> ./sage --python 
>>>>>> >>>> >> 
>>>>>> >>>> >> >>> import numpy as np 
>>>>>> >>>> >> >>> x = np.random.randn(1000000,2) 
>>>>>> >>>> >> >>> y = np.random.randn(2,2) 
>>>>>> >>>> >> >>> x.dot(y) 
>>>>>> >>>> >> 
>>>>>> >>>> >> reproduce the crash? 
>>>>>> >>>> >> 
>>>>>> >>>> >> 
>>>>>> >>>> >> 
>>>>>> >>>> >> > 
>>>>>> >>>> >> > produces: 
>>>>>> >>>> >> > 
>>>>>> >>>> >> > 
>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
>>>>>> >>>> >> > 0 signals.cpython-38-darwin.so 0x00000001088bc62a 
>>>>>> print_backtrace + 58 
>>>>>> >>>> >> > 1 signals.cpython-38-darwin.so 0x00000001088c0277 sigdie + 
>>>>>> 39 
>>>>>> >>>> >> > 2 signals.cpython-38-darwin.so 0x00000001088c0212 
>>>>>> sigdie_for_sig + 290 
>>>>>> >>>> >> > 3 libsystem_platform.dylib 0x00007fff6c88e5fd _sigtramp + 
>>>>>> 29 
>>>>>> >>>> >> > 
>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
>>>>>> >>>> >> > Unhandled SIGBUS: A bus error occurred. 
>>>>>> >>>> >> > This probably occurred because a *compiled* module has a 
>>>>>> bug 
>>>>>> >>>> >> > in it and is not properly wrapped with sig_on(), sig_off(). 
>>>>>> >>>> >> > Python will now terminate. 
>>>>>> >>>> >> > 
>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
>>>>>> >>>> >> > /Users/zscherr/sage/src/bin/sage-python: line 2: 78812 Bus 
>>>>>> error: 10 sage -python "$@" 
>>>>>> >>>> >> > 
>>>>>> >>>> >> > I haven't tested on any other platforms, but for what it's 
>>>>>> worth I have Catalina 10.15.7 with Xcode 12. 
>>>>>> >>>> >> > 
>>>>>> >>>> >> > Thanks, 
>>>>>> >>>> >> > Zach 
>>>>>> >>>> >> > 
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