On Friday, 6 August 2021 at 16:31:23 UTC-7 [email protected] wrote:

> To clarify, by "similar reasons to numpy", I meant that you open up 
> the possibility of using Cython, vectorized operations, JITs like 
> numba, etc. Some of these provide order of magnitude speedups and 
> aren't an option with generic Python lists.


To clarify, this thread certainly didn't start out with the question if 
sage should have mutable vectors at all (although I do think that in most 
cases, an array would then work just as well). I think it is worth 
reconsidering whether all vectors need to start out their life being 
mutable, because that does come with a significant usability penalty in 
hash-related scenarios.

It is indeed the case that we could just spell these examples as 
{tuple(v+w): ... }, and probably that is what cached_function argument 
manglers do, but .... to me that just looks super ugly (and the annoying 
part is that it'll take me a error for every time I need to insert that).

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