On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 4:25:41 PM UTC-5 Dima Pasechnik wrote:

On Wed, Apr 24, 2024 at 9:29 PM Nathan Dunfield wrote:
> On a related note, the reason that CyPari2 and CyPari are still separate 
relates to what Marc mentioned earlier about tension between two models of 
installing software: the "Linux distro way" using a system-level package 
manager (where there is typically only one version of any given library on 
the system) and the "Python pip" way (where all needed libraries are 
statically linked into the wheel). CyPari2 follows the first, CyPari the 
second. (This story is further complicated by the fact that, from a user's 
perspective, conda is like "Python pip" in that it is orthogonal to any 
system libraries, but developing packages for conda is akin to building 
them for a Linux distro.) 

There isn't a big problem to set up a GitHub wheel builder for 
CyPari2, so there is not really a sea of difference here in this 
sense.


Dima,

Good point, I had forgotten that Matthias did exactly that when he released 
the most recent CyPari2:

https://github.com/sagemath/cypari2/blob/master/.github/workflows/dist.yml

and the binary wheels for CyPari2 on PyPI are indeed statically linked and 
self-contained.  So CyPari2 is a good example of a Python package the fully 
supports both modes.  (Unlike CyPari, which only supports "Python pip", 
though unlike CyPari2 it does work on Windows.)
 

Also, probably it should be mentioned that linux distro way/pip way 
can be very nicely combined using a python venv. 
So one can use system packages, but add up more packages, and, if 
needed, override system packages with other versions.


Agreed!

Best,

Nathan


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