I've rebased <https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/40397>
over the latest beta, maybe it helps. If no, and 
if upgrading xcode followed by upgrading homebrew didn't work, 
I would have tried to build scipy separately,
just to see if it works.
Perhaps upgrading scipy might help (either to 1.15.3, or to the latest, 1.16.1)




On August 1, 2025 1:21:41 PM PDT, Aaron Lauve <la...@math.luc.edu> wrote:
>Dima,
>I think the answer to your question is "essentially, yes"...
>
>lauve@edinburgh pkgs % brew doctor   
>
>*Please note that these warnings are just used to help the Homebrew 
>maintainers*
>
>*with debugging if you file an issue. If everything you use Homebrew for is*
>
>*working fine: please don't worry or file an issue; just ignore this. 
>Thanks!*
>
>
>Warning: Some installed kegs have no formulae!
>
>This means they were either deleted or installed manually.
>
>You should find replacements for the following formulae:
>
>  arb
>
>
>Warning: Some installed formulae are deprecated or disabled.
>
>You should find replacements for the following formulae:
>
>  icu4c@76
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>  six
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>lauve@edinburgh pkgs % brew info gcc
>
>==> *gcc*: stable 15.1.0, HEAD
>
>GNU compiler collection
>
>https://gcc.gnu.org/
>
>Installed
>
>/opt/homebrew/Cellar/gcc/15.1.0 (1,957 files, 492.3MB) *
>
>  Poured from bottle using the formulae.brew.sh API on 2025-06-24 at 
>09:16:18
>
>From: https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew-core/blob/HEAD/Formula/g/gcc.rb
>
>License: GPL-3.0-or-later WITH GCC-exception-3.1
>
>==> *Dependencies*
>
>Build: *make **✘*
>
>Required: *gmp **✔*, *isl **✔*, *libmpc **✔*, *mpfr **✔*, *zstd **✔*
>
>==> *Options*
>
>--HEAD
>
>Install HEAD version
>
>==> *Analytics*
>
>install: 81,926 (30 days), 289,275 (90 days), 1,317,053 (365 days)
>
>install-on-request: 45,610 (30 days), 163,188 (90 days), 680,062 (365 days)
>
>build-error: 3,245 (30 days)
>
>lauve@edinburgh pkgs % which gfortran
>
>/opt/homebrew/bin/gfortran
>
>
>
>
>On Friday, August 1, 2025 at 3:08:38 PM UTC-5 dim...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> It's rather obscure, to me at least, bug. 
>> Your gfortran is rejected by the scipy build script. Does "brew doctor" 
>> report that everything is OK with your Homebrew install?
>>
>>
>>
>> On August 1, 2025 11:58:50 AM PDT, Aaron Lauve <la...@math.luc.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Dima,
>>>
>>> requested config log attached.
>>> I cannot find the meson log file in the location requested:
>>>
>>> lauve@edinburgh src % pwd
>>>
>>>
>>> /Applications/sage/local/var/lib/sage/venv-python3.13/var/tmp/sage/build/scipy-1.15.2/src
>>>
>>>
>>> lauve@edinburgh src % ls -al
>>>
>>> total 288
>>>
>>> drwxr-xr-x  22 lauve  admin    704 Jul 31 09:21 .
>>>
>>> drwxr-xr-x  24 lauve  admin    768 Aug  1 13:41 ..
>>>
>>> drwxr-xr-x   4 lauve  admin    128 Jul 31 09:21 .devcontainer
>>>
>>> drwxr-xr-x   6 lauve  admin    192 Jul 31 09:21 benchmarks
>>>
>>> -rw-r--r--   1 lauve  admin   1277 Jul 31 09:21 CITATION.bib
>>>
>>> -rw-r--r--   1 lauve  admin   1112 Jul 31 09:21 CONTRIBUTING.rst
>>>
>>> -rw-r--r--   1 lauve  admin  59699 Jul 31 09:21 dev.py
>>>
>>> drwxr-xr-x   2 lauve  admin     64 Jul 31 09:21 dist
>>>
>>> drwxr-xr-x   6 lauve  admin    192 Jul 31 09:21 doc
>>>
>>> -rw-r--r--   1 lauve  admin   1536 Jul 31 09:21 LICENSE.txt
>>>
>>> -rw-r--r--   1 lauve  admin  12881 Jul 31 09:21 LICENSES_bundled.txt
>>>
>>> -rw-r--r--   1 lauve  admin   6168 Jul 31 09:21 meson.build
>>>
>>> -rw-r--r--   1 lauve  admin    759 Jul 31 09:21 meson.options
>>>
>>> -rw-r--r--   1 lauve  admin  13973 Jul 31 09:21 mypy.ini
>>>
>>> -rw-r--r--   1 lauve  admin   8511 Jul 31 09:21 PKG-INFO
>>>
>>> -rw-r--r--   1 lauve  admin   6263 Jul 31 09:21 pyproject.toml
>>>
>>> -rw-r--r--   1 lauve  admin   1270 Jul 31 09:21 pytest.ini
>>>
>>> -rw-r--r--   1 lauve  admin   3576 Jul 31 09:21 README.rst
>>>
>>> drwxr-xr-x   9 lauve  admin    288 Jul 31 09:21 requirements
>>>
>>> drwxr-xr-x  30 lauve  admin    960 Jul 31 09:21 scipy
>>>
>>> drwxr-xr-x   3 lauve  admin     96 Jul 31 09:21 subprojects
>>>
>>> drwxr-xr-x  24 lauve  admin    768 Jul 31 09:21 tools
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm attaching *some* meson log file, found in the usual sage/logs/pkgs/ 
>>> directory
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 1, 2025 at 12:58:53 PM UTC-5 dim...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> from your log:
>>>>
>>>> ./meson.build:80:0: ERROR: Compiler gfortran cannot compile programs.
>>>> [scipy-1.15.2] [spkg-install] 
>>>> [scipy-1.15.2] [spkg-install] A full log can be found at 
>>>> /Applications/sage/local/var/lib/sage/venv-python3.13/var/tmp/sage/build/scipy-1.15.2/src/.mesonpy-7kk9_dof/meson-logs/meson-log.txt
>>>>
>>>> Can you post the latter file, and the top level
>>>> config.log ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On July 31, 2025 7:57:24 AM PDT, Aaron Lauve <la...@math.luc.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/40397
>>>>>
>>>>> (abbreviated) error logs attached.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, July 10, 2025 at 12:56:42 PM UTC-5 dim...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 12:05 PM Lauve, Aaron <ala...@luc.edu> wrote: 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > Thanks, Dima. 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > “Yes” to using gfortran provided by homebrew (at least I presume) 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > Here’s what brew has to say about that: 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > lauve@edinburgh sage % brew info gfortran 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > ==> gcc: stable 15.1.0, HEAD 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > GNU compiler collection 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > https://gcc.gnu.org/ 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > Installed 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > /opt/homebrew/Cellar/gcc/15.1.0 (1,957 files, 492.3MB) * 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > Poured from bottle using the formulae.brew.sh API on 2025-06-24 at 
>>>>> 09:16:18 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > From: 
>>>>> https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew-core/blob/HEAD/Formula/g/gcc.rb 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > License: GPL-3.0-or-later WITH GCC-exception-3.1 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > ==> Dependencies 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > Build: make ✘ 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > Required: gmp ✔, isl ✔, libmpc ✔, mpfr ✔, zstd ✔ 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > ==> Options 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > --HEAD 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > Install HEAD version 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > I notice that ‘gcc’ mentioned above is 15.1.0 while the relevant line 
>>>>> in the config file is 14.2.0. 
>>>>> 14.2.0 is Sage's version of gfortran, but there are lines 
>>>>>
>>>>> real_configure:11002: checking for gfortran 
>>>>> real_configure:11023: found /opt/homebrew/bin/gfortran 
>>>>> real_configure:11035: result: gfortran 
>>>>> real_configure:11061: checking for Fortran compiler version 
>>>>> real_configure:11070: gfortran --version >&5 
>>>>> GNU Fortran (Homebrew GCC 15.1.0) 15.1.0 
>>>>> [...] 
>>>>> real_configure:18788: will use system package and not install SPKG 
>>>>> gfortran 
>>>>>
>>>>> which really say what it is, and what's going to be used. 
>>>>>
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > Attaching the toplevel config.log file. 
>>>>>
>>>>> right, I knew about this, I mentioned to Homebrew people that it's a 
>>>>> bug: 
>>>>> https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew-core/issues/209091 
>>>>> but they decided not to do anything about it. 
>>>>>
>>>>> The problem is that `openblas.pc` supplied by them does not work with 
>>>>> Apple's "gcc", i.e. clang. 
>>>>> It only works with "real" gcc, which we'd rather avoid using in order 
>>>>> not to create even more mess than what's our 
>>>>> current build system already is. 
>>>>> A quick an dirty fix is to replace their `openblas.pc` with the 
>>>>> corrected one, where openmp is not mentioned 
>>>>> at all - in the same vein as done in 
>>>>> https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/40397 
>>>>> (I'll post such a file somewhere) 
>>>>>
>>>>> As OpenBLAS people were more keen to listen at 
>>>>> https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew-core/issues/209091 they 
>>>>> https://github.com/OpenMathLib/OpenBLAS/pull/5180 
>>>>> and so it won't be hard to create a custom Homebrew tap with the 
>>>>> alternative, working with clang, configuration. 
>>>>> Although I think Accelerate is not the better path to go forward. 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > Also, maybe “yes” to being an Apple Accelerate Guinea pig. Let’s see 
>>>>> what transpires… 
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks! I've just made a draft PR from the branch I mentioned 
>>>>> https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/40397 
>>>>>
>>>>> Would most appreciate feedback from you and any other volunteers. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers, 
>>>>> Dima 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > -- 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > Aaron Lauve (he/him/his) 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > Drop in for a visit 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > 773.508.3727 | BVM 501 | ala...@luc.edu 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > ~~~~~~~~~~ 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > Associate Professor and Graduate Program Director for Mathematics 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > Department of Mathematics & Statistics 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > Loyola University Chicago 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > From: Dima Pasechnik <dim...@gmail.com> 
>>>>> > Date: Thursday, July 10, 2025 at 11:54 AM 
>>>>> > To: sage-...@googlegroups.com <sage-...@googlegroups.com>, Lauve, 
>>>>> Aaron <ala...@luc.edu> 
>>>>> > Subject: Re: [sage-devel] Re: openblas fail on build from source 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > [You don't often get email from dim...@gmail.com. Learn why this is 
>>>>> important at https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification ] 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > Hi Aaron, 
>>>>> > thanks for the report. 
>>>>> > The email interface to google groups allows bigger attachments, by 
>>>>> the way. 
>>>>> > (you can also email these logs directly to me) 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > There could be several reasons for all this, but first of all, it's 
>>>>> > good to understand why the Homebrew's openblas is not accepted. 
>>>>> > Can you send us the top-level config.log ? 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > As far as building from source is concerned, I assume you use 
>>>>> gfortran 
>>>>> > from Homebrew, right? 
>>>>> > It could be that 1.3.28 is too old for your OS/hardware, and we need 
>>>>> > to bump our package version. 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > Last but not the least, I'm at the moment working on allowing the 
>>>>> user 
>>>>> > to rather use the Apple Accelerate framework instead of openblas, see 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fdimpase%2Fsage%2Ftree%2Faccel_wip&data=05%7C02%7Calauve%40luc.edu%7C66bdbab0def2439a0b0b08ddbfd27cfa%7C021f4fe32b9c48248378bbcf9ec5accb%7C0%7C0%7C638877632994015794%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=hfdKe%2FfqH%2BrfN%2Fbi7gZXn1xaFoZm%2FcshCLKopIqAegQ%3D&reserved=0
>>>>>  
>>>>> > If you're interested in testing the latter, I can provide more 
>>>>> instructions. 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > Best 
>>>>> > Dima 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpasechnik.info%2Fdima%2F&data=05%7C02%7Calauve%40luc.edu%7C66bdbab0def2439a0b0b08ddbfd27cfa%7C021f4fe32b9c48248378bbcf9ec5accb%7C0%7C0%7C638877632994054935%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ppL6jxXxs2%2F2Ppv5K95jvyzWJxiSZ9UdjWAPHC%2BnC04%3D&reserved=0
>>>>>  
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 11:16 AM Aaron Lauve <la...@math.luc.edu> 
>>>>> wrote: 
>>>>> > > 
>>>>> > > oops. forgot to attach the log. and then GoogleGroups complained it 
>>>>> was too long. 
>>>>> > > I'm attaching 'head -n1000' and 'tail -n1000' instead of the full 
>>>>> log. Hope that's helpful. 
>>>>> > > 
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