I'm having trouble figuring out where this change was introduced.  The
folder sage/venv doesn't exist in the repo, so presumably
sage/venv/bin/sage is copied from elsewhere during the build process, but I
wasn't able to figure out where in a few minutes of poking around.
Similarly, I don't see any obvious PR descriptions in 10.8beta5 changelog
<https://github.com/sagemath/sage/releases>.
David

On Wed, Oct 1, 2025 at 11:31 AM Marc Culler <[email protected]> wrote:

> This is regarding the options which were eliminated in the  new
> stealth-replaced backwards-incompatible sage executable.
>
> One important option which was very useful to me, and which is now gone,
> allowed specifying the directory where notebooks are stored:
>
> usage: sage [-h] [-v] [-q] [--simple-prompt] [-V] [-n
> [{jupyter,jupyterlab}]] [-c [COMMAND]] [file]
> sage: error: unrecognized arguments:
> --notebook-dir=/Users/culler/Documents/Sage
>
> - Marc
>
> On Wednesday, October 1, 2025 at 9:48:34 AM UTC-5 Marc Culler wrote:
>
>> After finally getting Sage 10.8beta5 to build in the context which I need
>> for the Sage_macOS app, I built the app, only to find that it is completely
>> broken.  The reason turns out to be that the main sage executable
>> (sage/venv/bin/sage) has completely changed.  The long bash script which
>> parses the options and sources other bash scripts to construct the
>> execution environment has been replaced by a python script which works
>> completely differently and seems to support a different set of options.
>>
>> The new version may well be an improvement.  I can't say yet.  But the
>> idea that something as core as the main sage executable would get changed
>> in a fundamental and backwards incompatible way between two beta releases,
>> without any warning or any discussion at all, is mind boggling. As the
>> subject line says, it is just crazy.  No serious software development
>> project works that way.
>>
>> - Marc
>>
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