Hi Martin! On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 3:57 PM, David Joyner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Martin, Bill: > > Thanks for these very interesting emails! Some of my reactions are below. > > - David Joyner > > > On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 9:35 AM, Bill Page <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Martin, > > > > I think discussing things like off the email lists does more damage to > > the community then it would if you were to be more public about these > > opinions. Are far as I am concerned, you have nothing to fear from > > exploring these ideas and other people might benefit greatly by your > > experience. > > > > Sage is not going away (It should not go away!) and I think the Axiom > > community needs to deal with how it should interact with Sage in the > > future. > > > > Regards, > > Bill Page. > > > > On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 3:10 AM, Martin Rubey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I don't have the guts to send this to a public mailing list. I probably > > > should. If you want to, you have my permission. > > > > > > > > > "Alfredo Portes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > > > > Axiom is so huge, so if Sage would be a part of Axiom that just > handles > > > > > the web interface, why not? > > > > > > > > If you think Axiom is huge, then you need to look at Sage. It is > ~10x Axiom. > > > > And in the other hand Axiom making a standard package will not > happen. There > > > > are discussions on their list to remove lisp and maxima. > > > IMHO, I don't think removing lisp or maxima will happen anytime soon. Lots of > topics are open for discussion on the sage-devel list, and William > Stein of course > makes the final decision, but I've not heard any specific plans for > that. On the other hand, > I think a lot of people would be very happy if SymPy could, as if by > magic, implement > all the functionality of Maxima and Axiom overnight:-)
That will take longer than one night. :) Axiom contains a lot of mathematics stuff that isn't implemented in SymPy, but with Maxima I believe we'll be able to do the same things. Maxima is very good, so I thought that when Sage wrapped Maxima in Python, it would solve all problems, but as anyone can easily see by browsing Sage lists, lisp is not a good technology, because it makes very hard these days to reuse it, fix it, etc., because not so many people can do any programming in lisp. > > > Axiom if there are less than twenty contributors by the end of 2008. > However, > > > it seems to me that the number of algebra contributors actually went > down! > > > > > > I'd really like to hear some comments on the general plan. Do you > think it's > > > feasible to > > > > > > a) attract other people, not working on Sage > > > b) merge our community into the Sage community > > I personally like this idea very much, but don't have any ideas for > how this would > evolve. Again, it depends on what William Stein thinks about it. Maybe > eventually a [EMAIL PROTECTED] list could be formed? > If I can help in some small way, please let me know. I think Martin, that you would enjoy the Sage community, because all people I met (either face to face, or just over emails) are very friendly and they respect that people have different opinions. And the overall atmosphere is very healthy imho, one can ask and question basically anything on Sage lists, including all controversial topics (like licences, languages, etc.) and the discussion was always constructive. I suggest you come to some Sage Days, I am sure you'll enjoy it and learn a lot of new things as much as I did, here are my impressions from SD6 and SD8: http://ondrejcertik.blogspot.com/2007/11/sage-days-6.html http://ondrejcertik.blogspot.com/2008/03/sage-days-8.html When I was at the Axiom workshop in Hagenberg, there also was a very good atmosphere, but I am not sure if people could reuse the actual work of each other so easily -- you and Ralf work with Axiom, I, Mateusz and Mike Hansen were using Python, some other people were using MuPAD, etc. etc. The advantage of Sage is that it's easier for other people to reuse your work. So e.g. if you write your guessing package in Python/Sage, a lot of people could use it and work with you on it. Ondrej --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
