On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 8:09 PM, Dr. David Kirkby
<david.kir...@onetel.net> wrote:
>
> Gonzalo Tornaria wrote:
>> Would it make more sense to include something like busybox
>> (www.busybox.net) into sage?
>
> I do not believe so.

[snip]

> Sage is designed to run on workstations and servers, not small embedded
> systems. As such, would it not be better to support the Unix standard?

My point is, wouldn't it be better if developers use the exact tools
that sage is targeting?

A standard is nothing more than an abstraction; the actual tools will
always deviate from the standard in one way or another (if nothing
else, by having more features available). When you write unix shell
scripts, testing compatibility with varying real tools is already
quite hard; testing compatibility with a standard may be impossible.

The suggestion is, instead of targeting an abstract standard (posix),
why not target a particular implementation of the standard. Busybox is
just one option; there may be others (e.g. gnu shellutils/textutils).
One advantage of busybox is its size which makes it reasonably "cheap"
to include with sage.

Take into account that most developers use gnu tools every day, so
gnuisms are bound to show up one way or another. You'll have to be
chasing them forever :-)

Besides, IMHO, sticking with "pure posix" seems as silly as it would
be sticking with python 2.3 (say) "because that's the lowest common
version available in the supported targets".

> BusyBox appears to support a subset of the options of the more common
> GNU tools. That subset may not be sufficient and I feel would likely be
> too limiting.

Posix supports a subset of the options of the more common GNU tools.
That subset is often not sufficient, and too limiting (and sometimes
frustrating for users of GNU tools). YMMV :-)

Just my 2 cents on this issue...

Best, Gonzalo

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