On Nov 12, 5:16 pm, rjf <fate...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 12, 10:46 am, kcrisman <kcris...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > My view is that there has been excessive boosterism for Python,
> > Perhaps.
> > > So having packages in Python doesn't matter, and therefore it is not
> > > really a selling point and
> > > maybe should not be mentioned prominently because users don't care??
>
> > At least pedagogical users care.
>
> Really? The parts of Sage that are written in python appear to be
> entirely conventional kinds of computer science projects ... e.g.
> write a read-eval-print loop that has does math and calls programs.
>
> Judging from the kinds of bug reports I see here, it has no special
> pedagogical import, and might as well have been written in any
> language du jour.
>
> Some people here at Berkeley are enthusiastic about
> Ruby on Rails.  Tcl/TK passed by some time ago.
>
> Python/web blah blah is so retro. If it is so great, and Google
> loves it, why can't I download python apps to my Google android
> phone? :)
> Like Sage.  Oh, I forgot, Sage isn't really written in Python,
> anyway.

I mean pedagogically from my perspective - as you well know, I've
never claimed to be anything remotely like a computer scientist.  But
I do teach students taking math (not necessarily always mathematics
students!), and often ones who are quite afraid of anything where they
have to type accurately (they love to text, of course) and create
loops.

And Python (even with a few Sage-specific changes, nearly 100% of
which are to make invalid Python syntax which has semi-mathematical
meaning into something useful, so not changing valid Python syntax)
happens to be a language that is much less scary for them to use.
There may be other such ones; Sage happens to be written in one such
language, essentially.

That is both all I mean, as well as what I mean, if you take what I
mean.

- kcrisman

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