Hi,

I've updated the article based on everybody's feedback. Thanks.

The new version is here:  http://wstein.org/papers/focm11/

I can still make some last minute changes in the next day.

(Don't worry about the weird formatting of the first two pages.)

William

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 6:18 AM, Niles <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the article -- I agree that it should end up somewhere
> easily accessible for people who are sage-curious.  Here are some
> things I noticed, which of course you're free to ignore :)
>
>
> * The phrase "..at least.." rubs me the wrong way in the two places
> you've used it (describing the many bugs listed on Trac, and
> describing how you can shoot yourself in the foot with Cython).  To my
> eyes, it reads as an implicit confession that these are weaknesses,
> not strengths of Sage.  I bet you didn't mean it that way!
>
> * The warning about overflow in the middle of page 5 interrupts the
> train of thought in that section, and seems especially out of place
> since you address overflow later.  Maybe that warning should be
> removed or moved to a footnote.
>
> * In the second paragraph of section 3, you use \emph (or \textit or
> something) for "distribuion", "including Python", and "interface".  Of
> these three, I think the first and third are aligned with the point of
> the paragraph, but the second is tangential and therefore
> distracting.  One way to reorganize that sentence without the \emph
> might be
>
> "The download of Sage contains all dependencies required for the
> normal functioning of Sage, including Python itself."
>
> * The paragraph at the end of page 5, beginning of page 6 "Much of the
> work that hundreds of Sage developers does . . ." seems weaker than
> the rest of the article.  I think some thorough rewriting is needed
> there.
>
>
>
> On Aug 30, 12:51 am, William Stein <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I'm going to remove that graphic from the paper, since it seems to
>> annoy too many people.  Also, I don't have a good pdf version of it
>> (only png).    It would be really cool to have a canonical high
>> quality graphic along those lines though, for the Sage website, etc.
>
> That's a real shame, but I can understand not wanting to be drawn into
> a long process of community graphic designing.  Hopefully this will
> prompt someone else to put some work into it.  For that person, I have
> a couple of suggestions:  1. it's redundant to list names like
> "Singular" and "Gap" when they can be clearly read from the images.
> 2. The diagram *looks* complete because the contributing programs make
> a complete circle -- leaving 1/4 or 1/3 of the circle open might be a
> way to visually communicate that this is only a partial list.
>
>
> Thanks again,
> Niles
>
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