Hi.

Recently I am doing some computation of Manin constants of elliptic curves. 
But, as you can see in the attached file, when I defined the same curve in 
two different ways, i.e., by specifying coefficients and by giving the 
label of the curve, sage gives two different Manin constants.

I am running with sagemath 6.1.1 compiled from the source in my macbook air 
machine (with OSX 10.9). Any suggestions?

Thanks.


Taekyung Kim

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