On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 12:45 PM, maldun <dom...@gmx.net> wrote: > I agree with you that it is not that important as it was some years ago. > Nevertheless be aware that many professional users in engineering > and research can't go online that simply, because of security reasons, and > company policies (I know that from first hand), > and they are a big market which we should not underestimate.
You are of course 100% right, and adding the above about for what group of users windows support is important just helps make this item on the list "What are we unable to do right now?" clearer. -- William > > On Friday, December 5, 2014 9:39:55 PM UTC+1, William wrote: >> >> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 12:19 PM, maldun <dom...@gmx.net> wrote: >> > What we still don't have is a working windows version. This is still a >> > big >> > blocker for being succesfull. >> >> I don't want to in any way discourage anybody from working hard on >> Windows support for Sage. However, it's getting more difficult to >> argue that Windows support is a blocker to our mission statement. >> >> As I've explained elsewhere, I started SageMathCloud because of >> exactly this problem, and also that I'm thinking about where >> technology is going to be in a few years rather than where it was. >> I'm not arguing the SMC is *the* solution, just that web-based >> approaches are, including Sage cell server, Wakari, etc. >> >> There's no question that in say 200?, Microsoft Windows support was >> absolutely critical for widespread adoption of a piece of software in >> a given market. Today, and certainly going into the future, this is >> not so clear. The single most popular applications in the world >> today are Google.com and Facebook.com [1], which have well over a >> *billion* active users [2], and neither has a "working windows >> version". And it appears based on [3] and blogs that much of the >> math software development work by Wolfram Inc is about making >> Mathematica available online. >> >> Online is where the puck is going. Actually, it is arguably where the >> puck already is. (For huge applications, mobile is just a different >> interface to online.) >> >> -- William >> >> [1] http://www.alexa.com/topsites >> [2] http://newsroom.fb.com/company-info/ >> [3] https://www.wolframcloud.com/ >> >> > >> > On Friday, December 5, 2014 8:17:44 AM UTC+1, Nathann Cohen wrote: >> >> >> >> Helloooooo everybody ! >> >> >> >> I am preparing some Sage talk, and I wanted to say at some point: >> >> "Honestly we are not that good. We have strong points but we miss many >> >> things too. It all depends on what the developpers are interested in: >> >> we are >> >> great on some research areas, and under water level on others" >> >> >> >> Somehow this question is also related to William's "Sage has failed", >> >> as >> >> we cannot be a replacement for Mathematica/Maple/.... unless we cover >> >> all >> >> kinds of mathematics. >> >> >> >> In your past experiences (possibly when using Sage to teach in a >> >> classroom), in which areas do you think we are behind users' >> >> expectations ? >> >> >> >> If we had such a list, we could even start asking people around "Do you >> >> work on X ? Cool, we need your help for something big". We could also >> >> have a >> >> list of such domains on our website, and do some (cheap) propaganda >> >> like: >> >> >> >> "Sage as in 'Free Beer': if you can help us develop Sage's features in >> >> the >> >> areas above, we owe you one. Actually we owe you many. Become a >> >> contributor >> >> and be rewarded with a free beer from every Sage developper you will >> >> meet >> >> around the world" >> >> >> >> We have to know what we cannot do. So let's make a list. >> >> >> >> Nathann >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> > Groups >> > "sage-devel" group. >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> > an >> > email to sage-devel+...@googlegroups.com. >> > To post to this group, send email to sage-...@googlegroups.com. >> > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. >> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> >> -- >> William Stein >> Professor of Mathematics >> University of Washington >> http://wstein.org > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "sage-devel" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- William Stein Professor of Mathematics University of Washington http://wstein.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
