On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:21 PM, Nils Bruin <nbr...@sfu.ca> wrote: > It appears that sagenb is in maintenance-only, and that for graphical > interface, the IPython notebook is the way forward. The IPython notebook > looks wonderful and will probably be a very able replacement for single-user > scenarios, but it lacks the multiuser capability that sagenb provides. > I noticed that IPython notebook is now Jupyter, and that there *IS* a > multiuser offshoot for that now: Jupyterhub. Does anyone here have > experience deploying Jupyterhub and/or using it to interface with sage? It > looks like a very attractive option for cases where SageMathCloud isn't > appropriate. > > The blog post here: > > https://developer.rackspace.com/blog/deploying-jupyterhub-for-education/ > > looks promising as far as how mature Jupyterhub is, but I have no idea how > it would work with sage. > > Comments and insights welcome!
Jupyterhub (JH) and SageMathCloud (SMC) are basically approaching the same problem but from somewhat different directions. The following comparisons are difficult to write and probably wrong; they might be hard to write for the JH people, since they probably barely understand SMC, and for me since I surely barely understand JH. So take all this with a huge grain of salt, as it is probably more a reflection of my own ignorance than anything else. That said, I had some long conversations with Fernando Perez and some other JH devs in Berkeley a few months ago, and he helped me get a sense of what's going on. - JH has a bit more funding and resources right now than SMC -- they have several fulltime people, significant funds from Moore/Sloane, etc. SMC is 99.9% me in my spare time... - JH is (probably) all BSD licensed, where SMC is GPLv3. (SMC is GPLv3 because of the data management plans in several of my NSF grants, which were written more around Sage, but still apply.) - SMC is -- more or less -- only designed to run multi-data center on a large number of computers, and there's no automatic process to just get a copy of SMC up and running. Also, SMC requires constant human monitoring and maintenance. - JH is written in Python as much as is reasonably possible, whereas SMC is mostly written in CoffeeScript. - Both SMC and JH have target audiences that include large undergraduate courses with students using Python and other languages. - JH's money model is a Moore/Sloane grant, along with industry partnerships; this combination is the main plan for longterm funding, and it will probably work at a small scale at least, since Fernando et al. are very effective at grantsmanship. The JH devs explicitly decided not to go the route of starting a for-profit company. In contrast, SMC's money model is a for-profit company (SageMath, Inc.), with investment and a (yet to be revealed) business model, etc.; there's no evidence that I'm any good at this approach to funding what we're doing, but this approach definitely has the potential to scale up substantially in size. - Realtime collaboration is central in the design of everything in SMC, and of a lot of things I haven't implemented yet, but have laid the foundations for. JH has very limited collaborative capabilities (e.g., the coLaboratory stuff from Google), but of course much is planned. I hope that they are an order of magnitude better at implementing that stuff than me, since it is frickin' hard. - IPython is a heavily used and central part of SMC. Sage worksheets in SMC are much different than IPython notebooks (which are very similar to sagenb notebooks), and I view the two as complementary. If somebody from JH decides to explain how every point above is slightly wrong, that would be nice, since I can't imagine that they aren't wrong! -- William > Nils > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "sage-devel" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- William (http://wstein.org) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
