William Stein wrote:
> Nothing is "forbidden" yet, but we should try not to load whatever we
> can get away with not loading in order to improve the import time.

Well, it sounds like you are forbidding matplotlib and numpy being 
loaded at startup, if you're making a doctest for that.


> 
> Despite us both trying, numpy and matplotlib now are both imported by
> default.  Incidentally, it's a bit ironic to say that you took care
> not to import numpy without worrying about matplotlib, because numpy
> arrays are a basic datastructure matplotlib, so I think importing
> matplotlib imports numpy.
> 
> flat:ggz wstein$ sage -startuptime |grep numpy|wc -l
>       50
> flat:ggz wstein$ sage -startuptime |grep matplotlib|wc -l
>       17
> 
> Anyway, actually looking at the output of startuptime reveals this:
> 
>             sage.plot.all: 0.500 (cubegroup)
>              plot: 0.491 (sage.plot.all)
>              ...
>               matplotlib.ticker: 0.453 (plot)
>                  ...
>                  matplotlib.colors: 0.249 (rcsetup)
>                   numpy: 0.219 (matplotlib.colors)
> 
> So in fact plotting now imports matplotlib, which import numpy.
> This might be because of the new (massively awesome!!) switch to using
> matplotlib axes that you did...
> 
> I'm not trying to blame anybody, but just to raise awareness about an issue.


I understand.  I thought matplotlib was okay to import, but numpy 
wasn't.  I didn't even think of dependency imports.

> sage: os.popen('sage -startuptime|grep matplotlib |wc -l').read().strip() == 
> '0'
> True

Yep, if we had a doctest that failed when we imported something we 
weren't supposed by default, then it would be easier to take care of 
dependency situations.


-- 
Jason Grout


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