William,

I think what Dan is proposing is just to use an old tarball and an
intelligent algorithm to auto-magically recreate the latest one. Then the
user would have to uncompress it so he/she could use the new sage. I don't
think this could be done inside sage itself.

2009/11/23 William Stein <wst...@gmail.com>

> On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 6:08 PM, Dan Drake <dr...@kaist.edu> wrote:
> > On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 at 03:55PM -0800, William Stein wrote:
> >> > A compromise between "tarball on a webserver" and "rsync server" is
> >> > zsync: http://zsync.moria.org.uk/
> >> >
> >> > "zsync is a file transfer program. It allows you to download a file
> from
> >> > a remote server, where you have a copy of an older version of the file
> >> > on your computer already. zsync downloads only the new parts of the
> >> > file. It uses the same algorithm as rsync. However, where rsync is
> >> > designed for synchronising data from one computer to another within an
> >> > organisation, zsync is designed for file distribution, with one file
> on
> >> > a server to be distributed to thousands of downloaders."
> >> >
> >> > It seems like it would work really well, except that it would require
> >> > people to keep their old downloads; to efficiently upgrade to, say,
> >> > 4.2.1, you would need the tarball from downloading 4.2.
> >> >
> >> > It seems like a reasonable mix of regular file downloads and rsync.
> >> >
> >> > Dan
> >>
> >> So, I think this is all a great idea!     To make it happen though,
> >> somebody (not me) has to volunteer to bust their 'arse and make it
> >> happen.
> >
> > I just tested it, and using it should be super easy. Visit
> > http://sagenb.kaist.ac.kr/~drake/ and grab a tarball from there, say
> > sage-4.2.alpha0.tar. Install zsync, and then do
> >
> >    $ zsync -i sage-4.2.alpha0.tar
> http://sagenb.kaist.ac.kr/~drake/sage-4.2.tar.zsync
> >
> > It will use the 4.2.alpha0 tarball as a source, then download the
> > necessary bits to give you a 4.2 tarball. If I'm reading the output
> > right, it used used 197 megabytes from the alpha0 tarball (so it
> > didn't download anything new) and only downloaded 74 megabytes. (Using
> > 10^6 bytes = megabyte), so it only transferred about 27% of tarball
> > using nothing more than the webserver I am already running.
> >
> > All you do is run "zsyncmake" on the file you want to efficiently serve
> > up. There are some options that I'll play with, but this could easily be
> > scripted. Then we have to educate users, which will likely be the harder
> > part if we want to use this.
>
> What do you envision users doing, exactly?  Why not just make it so
>
>   sage -upgrade
>
> is "educated"?
>
> William
>
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