succeed to run, after discover double coma, ,,

On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 10:51:07 AM UTC+8, meInvent bbird wrote:
>
> when i run singular for a 28*28 matrix, got error in sage cloud
>
>
> > matrix 
> > A[28][28]=1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0
>
> ,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
>
> ,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0
>
> ,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
>
> ,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0
>
> ,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
>
> ,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,
>
> 0,0,0,0,0,,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0;
>
>    ? error occurred in or before STDIN line 74: 
> `0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0;`
>    ? expected matrix-expression. type 'help matrix;'
>    ? last reserved name was `matrix`
>    skipping text from `0`
>
> LIB "finvar.lib";
> ring R=0,(a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,j,k,l,m,n,o,p,q,r,s,t,u,v,w,x,y,z,aa,bb),dp;
> matrix 
> A[28][28]=1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0;
> matrix B(1..8);
> B(1..3)=invariant_ring(A);
> B(1);
>
>
> On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 10:29:45 AM UTC+8, meInvent bbird wrote:
>>
>> succeed to run, however, why sage return two different permutation group, 
>> which one is correct? or both correct?  when using it , should we use any 
>> one of them, or use both?
>>
>> gap> PermutationMat((2,3,5)(6,7,8),8);
>> [ [ 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 ], [ 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 ], [ 0, 0, 0, 0, 
>> 1, 0, 0, 0 ], [ 0, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0 ],
>>   [ 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 ], [ 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 0 ], [ 0, 0, 0, 0, 
>> 0, 0, 0, 1 ], [ 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0 ] ]
>> gap> PermutationMat((1,2,4,7)(3,6,8,5),8);
>> [ [ 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 ], [ 0, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0 ], [ 0, 0, 0, 0, 
>> 0, 1, 0, 0 ], [ 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 0 ],
>>   [ 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 ], [ 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1 ], [ 1, 0, 0, 0, 
>> 0, 0, 0, 0 ], [ 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0 ] ]
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 9:27:30 AM UTC+8, Justin C. Walker wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 23, 2016, at 17:56 , meInvent bbird wrote: 
>>>
>>> > I had tried permutation in syntax below, still have error 
>>> > 
>>> > PermutationMat((2,3,5)(6,7,8),(1,2,4,7)(3,6,8,5)); 
>>> > PermutationMat(((2,3,5)(6,7,8),(1,2,4,7)(3,6,8,5))); 
>>> > PermutationMat((2,3,5)(6,7,8)); 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > gap> PermutationMat((2,3,5)(6,7,8),(1,2,4,7)(3,6,8,5)); 
>>> > Error, usage: PermutationMat( <perm>, <dim> [, <F> ] ) called from 
>>> > <function "PermutationMat">( <arguments> ) 
>>> > called from read-eval loop at line 1 of *stdin* 
>>> > you can 'quit;' to quit to outer loop, or 
>>> > you can 'return;' to continue 
>>>
>>> I don't think you've read the manual; the error message you got should 
>>> give you a clue, and suggest reading the manual to find out what this 
>>> procedure does and what the arguments are for. 
>>>
>>> What are you trying to achieve? 
>>>
>>> Justin 
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon-At-Large, Director 
>>> Institute for the Enhancement of the Director's Income 
>>> -------- 
>>> The path of least resistance: 
>>> it's not just for electricity any more. 
>>> -------- 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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