#15346: symbolic sums that don't simplify don't simplify
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   Reporter:  kcrisman   |            Owner:
       Type:  defect     |           Status:  new
   Priority:  minor      |        Milestone:  sage-5.13
  Component:  symbolics  |         Keywords:
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 [http://ask.sagemath.org/question/3152 This ask.sagemath question] points
 out that
 {{{
 sage: k,n = var('k,n')
 sage: f(x,k) = sum((2/n)*(sin(n*x)*(-1)^(n+1)), n, 1, k)
 sage: f(x,2)
 -2*sum((-1)^n*sin(n*x)/n, n, 1, 2)
 }}}
 while
 {{{
 sage: f(x)=(2/n)*(sin(n*x)*(-1)^(n+1))
 sage: sum(f, n, 1, 2) #using summation function
 -sin(2*x) + 2*sin(x)
 }}}
 User twch found this workaround
 {{{
 sage: var('n')
 sage: def g(x,k):
 sage:    return sum((2/n)*(sin(n*x)*(-1)^(n+1)), n, 1, k)
 sage: print g(x,2)
 -sin(2*x) + 2*sin(x)
 }}}
 but I agree with him/her that we should look into how to fix this.

 The essential problem is that when Maxima does not simplify a sum, we
 don't have any mechanism (currently) to get it to "just print out all the
 numbers".  Which of course may not be very nice when `k` is big, but
 presumably should be allowed to be done by users.

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 By the way, the way to do this in Maxima is as follows:
 {{{

 (%i1) f: -2*'sum((-1)^n*sin(n*x)/n,n,1,2);
                                 2
                                ====       n
                                \     (- 1)  sin(n x)
 (%o1)                      - 2  >    ---------------
                                /            n
                                ====
                                n = 1

 (%i8) f, nouns;
                                  sin(2 x)
 (%o8)                       - 2 (-------- - sin(x))
                                     2
 }}}
 so setting `nouns:true` just for this would work, but I can never figure
 out how to do this from within Sage - see #10955.

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Ticket URL: <http://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/15346>
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