Wah panjang bgt advicenya, tp kira2 tulisannya gak seperti cipto mau beli rumah 
modal dengkul. Mnrt joe, justru hrs ada modal, tp pakailah modal org lain, 
seperti pinjam dr bank. Cr lah rumah org lg BU, bisa dapat dibawa harga pasar, 
kredit makin panjang jangka waktu makin bgs. Krn cicilan makin kecil,  uang lbh 
kita bs ambil rumah lain lagi. 

Ada bbrp teknik nego yg diajarkan juga. tar sy summary, kl sempat sy posting

On Sun Sep 11th, 2011 5:58 PM ICT ßµđΨ☺™ wrote:

>Advicenya spt apa om? Bisa di share disini? Biar pd tambah pinter dikit 
>hehehehe
>Best Regards,
>ßµđΨ☀Đα®♏αωαƞ☺™
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: tommy boy <[email protected]>
>Sender: [email protected]
>Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 03:48:34 
>To: <[email protected]>
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: Seminar Property?Credit card revolution Re: [saham] Bahaya 
>Gelembung Gadai Emas
>
>Ada bukunya. Pengarangnya cipto apa gt. Sy udah pernah baca. gmn yah....kyknya 
> semua hrs serba ideal or should i say kebtlan br bs beli dgn modal dengkul 
>hehhe
>
>sy gak terlalu gaya tulisnya, terlalu bombastis dan ada kesan bodoh2in 
>pembaca. kl pengen baca buku beli property, sy lebih sarankan buku Joe 
>Hartanto. Advicenya lbh make sense.
>
>On Sun Sep 11th, 2011 10:58 PM ICT [email protected] wrote:
>
>>Kalau Beli Property Modal Dengkul ada yg Tahu ?
>>Di Gramedia kayanya ada Bukunya deh ?
>>Buat nambah pengetahuan saja, barangkali ada member milis yg sdh pernah baca 
>>atau pengalaman ?
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: [email protected]
>>Sender: [email protected]
>>Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 10:39:34 
>>To: <[email protected]>
>>Reply-To: [email protected]
>>Subject: Re: Seminar Property?Credit card revolution Re: [saham] Bahaya 
>>Gelembung Gadai Emas
>>
>>Yup dilarang kalo ketahuan edc nya di cabut. Cm saat ini ada produk dr bank 
>>panin, ready express, bunganya cm 0,99% flat. En kedepan sepertinya bank2 
>>akan banyak ngeluarin produk serupa
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>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: tommy boy <[email protected]>
>>Sender: [email protected]
>>Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 03:35:11 
>>To: <[email protected]>
>>Reply-To: [email protected]
>>Subject: Re: Seminar Property?Credit card revolution Re: [saham] Bahaya 
>>Gelembung Gadai Emas
>>
>>Hahah sabar bro Yhoji. Kan namanya tukar pendapat. Sy yg td nya gak ngeh ada  
>>0.5% jd tau toh hehe. kebtlan sy sdr ada mesin edc, bs gestun dong. Btw, 
>>gestun bukannya dilarang ama bank
>>
>>On Sun Sep 11th, 2011 5:27 PM ICT Yhoji Gambler wrote:
>>
>>>Hahaha,
>>>Mulai nongol semua nih pakar2 ngebobol kartu kredit. Pada kemana aja nih 
>>>kemarin waktu gua dibantai di milis gara2 modal maen saham pake gestun. Gak 
>>>ada yg bantuin...
>>>Hahaha
>>>
>>>Regard's
>>>Yhoji®
>>>
>>>It's okay to disagree. But do it elegantly, with manners.
>>>
>>>In Greed We Trust™
>>>Don't follow me coz I don't know where 
>>>I'm going™
>>>
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>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: [email protected]
>>>Sender: [email protected]
>>>Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 10:17:26 
>>>To: <[email protected]>
>>>Reply-To: [email protected]
>>>Subject: Re: Seminar Property?Credit card revolution Re: [saham] Bahaya 
>>>Gelembung Gadai Emas
>>>
>>>Gesek tunai cr merchant yg kenain 2%.
>>>
>>>Trus tagihan dirubah ke cicilan yg bunganya 0,5% per bln.
>>>
>>>Jd modal kita 8%
>>>
>>>Tinggal cr instrumen investasi yg bunganya > 8% dlm seth, sesuai iman 
>>>masing".
>>>
>>>Gmn? Msk akal? Hehehe
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: "PH" <[email protected]>
>>>Sender: [email protected]
>>>Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 09:43:47 
>>>To: <[email protected]>
>>>Reply-To: [email protected]
>>>Subject: Re: Seminar Property?Credit card revolution Re: [saham] Bahaya 
>>>Gelembung Gadai Emas
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>1. Kalau limit nya gede karena emang berduit  ga bakal pakai kartu kredit 
>>>buat belanja (ada source fund yang lebih murah). 
>>>
>>>2. Kalau limit nya kecil. Ga cukup buat bayar installment pertama :p 
>>>
>>>
>>>Pikir2 sendiri lah bener apa engga. Cash withdrawal dengan kartu kredit 
>>>bunga nya berapa :p ama dengan kpr :p atau bahkan cash keras... 
>>>
>>>Coba terangin ke kita2 yang katanya penjelasan nya cukup masuk akal... 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: "Yhoji Gambler" <[email protected]>
>>>Sender: [email protected]
>>>Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 06:39:36 
>>>To: <[email protected]>
>>>Reply-To: [email protected]
>>>Subject: Re: Seminar Property?Credit card revolution Re: [saham] Bahaya 
>>>Gelembung Gadai Emas
>>>
>>>Gua blm pernah ikut bro.
>>>Tapi temen kantor gua udah ada yang eksekusi tuh beli rumah pake kartu 
>>>kredit, 2orang malah.
>>>Sekarang kayaknya udah masuk thn ke3 dan blm kolaps...
>>>
>>>Kalo gua blm berani eksekusi biarpun udah dijelasin dan walaupun sebenernya 
>>>penjelasannya masuk akal
>>>
>>>Hahaha
>>>
>>>Regard's
>>>Yhoji®
>>>
>>>It's okay to disagree. But do it elegantly, with manners.
>>>
>>>In Greed We Trust™
>>>Don't follow me coz I don't know where 
>>>I'm going™
>>>
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>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: "Agus Surya" <[email protected]>
>>>Sender: [email protected]
>>>Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 02:25:26 
>>>To: saham milis<[email protected]>
>>>Reply-To: [email protected]
>>>Subject: Re: Seminar Property?Credit card revolution Re: [saham] Bahaya 
>>>Gelembung Gadai Emas
>>>
>>>Udh pernah ikut bro yhoji?
>>>Everything is possible kalo tau caranya. Bahkan gestun pun bisa 
>>>menguntungkan kalo bisa mengelolanya.
>>>
>>>
>>>Salam
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: "Yhoji Gambler" <[email protected]>
>>>Sender: [email protected]
>>>Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 14:54:34 
>>>To: <[email protected]>
>>>Reply-To: [email protected]
>>>Subject: Re: Seminar Property?Credit card revolution Re: [saham] Bahaya 
>>>Gelembung Gadai Emas
>>>
>>>Yang ini yah? :)
>>>
>>>Regard's
>>>Yhoji®
>>>
>>>It's okay to disagree. But do it elegantly, with manners.
>>>
>>>In Greed We Trust™
>>>Don't follow me coz I don't know where 
>>>I'm going™
>>>
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>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: [email protected]
>>>Sender: [email protected]
>>>Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 14:47:59 
>>>To: <[email protected]>
>>>Reply-To: [email protected]
>>>Subject: Re: Seminar Property?Credit card revolution Re: [saham] Bahaya 
>>>Gelembung Gadai Emas
>>>
>>>Nah ada satu lagi nih yg menurut saya lumayan ektrem, credit card 
>>>revolution, yakni suatu training yg membahas mengenai mendapatkan modal dr 
>>>penggunaan kartu kredit. Bahkan di training ini katanya bisa beli rumah 
>>>lewat kartu kredit. 
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>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Damai <[email protected]>
>>>Sender: [email protected]
>>>Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 16:53:48 
>>>To: <[email protected]>
>>>Reply-To: [email protected]
>>>Subject: Seminar Property? Re: [saham] Bahaya Gelembung Gadai Emas
>>>
>>>Yoi, berkebun emas selalu berasumsi harga emas yg naik mulu, tidak 
>>>diterangkan apabila harga emas turun, strateginya gimana.
>>>Kalo tidak salah, berkebun emas bahkan dibikin seminar berbayar.
>>>
>>>Btw, sekarang ini banyak seminar ttg beli property tanpa uang muka tanpa 
>>>hutang,
>>>itu kira2 caranya gimana? Ada yg pernah ikut seminarnya? :)
>>>
>>>Thanks.
>>>Anto
>>>
>>>******************
>>>
>>>Oguds wrote:
>>>> Hello Saham,
>>>>
>>>> Mencermati maraknya investasi emas, karena harganya condong naik
>>>> terus, tapi bahaya besar mengintai: bubble. Saya baru baca2 tentang
>>>> gadai emas, seperti di blog ini.
>>>>
>>>> http://arzamitra.wordpress.com/2011/08/15/hobby-berkebun-emas/
>>>>
>>>> Dengan cara beli, gadai, beli, gadai, beli, gadai, bisa tercipta rasio
>>>> 1:9, atau 9x lipat dari modal. Ini bahaya sekali donk. Kebetulan
>>>> contoh di situ yg sukses, kalau terbalik bukannya untung 107,68% tapi
>>>> buntung senilai yg sama, alias uangnya benar-benar menguap.
>>>>
>>>> Mending kalau uangnya benar2 uang sendiri yg nganggur, lha kalau
>>>> ternyata pinjam bank juga, cilaka besar donk. Artinya, selama tahunan
>>>> mencicil uang for nothing. Mungkin argumennya, dijual pas untung donk.
>>>> Lha iya kalau nanti untung, kalau makin turun, apalagi ada jasa titip
>>>> emas yg juga mirip2 argo kuda. Kacau beliau jadinya.
>>>>
>>>> Perlu dicatat pula, emas ini penyumbang inflasi tertinggi di Agustus
>>>> 2011 lalu. Ini saja gejala kurang baik. Saya hanya khawatir, kenaikan
>>>> harga emas membuat bisnis tidak sehat semacam di atas. Bubble
>>>> perumahan di AS dulu khan prosesnya seperti ini juga. Begitu meletus,
>>>> efek dominonya menyebar ke mana-mana. Sebagai bukan investor emas,
>>>> saya hanya berharap harganya datar saja hingga setahun ke depan. :-)
>>>>
>>>>   
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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