“I Am in you…you are in Me…don’t forget that…We cannot be separated…”

Hollywood screenplay writer Arnold Schulman had the privilege of experiencing 
Bhagawan early in 1960’s.Arnold Schulman is an American playwright, 
screenwriter, producer, a songwriter and novelist. 

Below is a Wonderful extract and an interesting episode, from his book entitled 
“Baba”.

Baba was on a thin mattress supported by a simple frame and four wooden legs, 
which served both as a studio couch during the day and His bed at night. He was 
leaning against a few small pillows propped against the wall. Before He looked 
up to note the writer’s arrival He continued to go through His mail, looking at 
each letter, still unopened and in its envelope, until a thought formed in His 
head, then He put it on top of the stack of letters on the couch to the left of 
Him before reaching to take another letter from the stack on the couch to the 
right of Him. After a minute or two He looked up and smiled at the writer.

“Come in,” He said. “Come in.”

The writer stepped into the room and bowed slightly, both palms together on his 
chest just under his chin.

“So,” Baba said. He paused to look directly into the writer’s eyes. “So, you 
have seen enough.”

“Too much; I don’t understand anything I’ve seen.”

Baba laughed. “Appearance is not different from emptiness,” “Yet within 
emptiness there is no appearance”, said Baba.


The writer felt he should smile or nod or indicate in some way that he 
understood what Baba had said, but he did not understand and he resisted the 
temptation to pretend that he did. Baba nodded. “Life is only the memory of a 
dream,” He said. “It comes from no visible rain. It falls into no recognizable 
sea. Someday, not for a while yet, you will understand how meaningless it is to 
spend your whole life trying to accumulate material things. I have no land, no 
property of My own where I can grow My own food. Everything is registered in 
the name of someone else, but just as those people in the village who have no 
land wait until the pond dries up so they can scratch the land with a plow and 
quickly grow something before the pond fills up again, I grow My food which is 
joy or love. To you the words have different meanings, but to Me both words are 
the same. But I have to do it quickly, quickly in the hearts of those who come 
to see Me, quickly before they leave.”

He looked up again into the writer’s eyes. “The kind of belief in Me I ask of 
people is more, much more than most people think is faith or love,” Baba said.

“That’s why many people who come just to see the miracles stop loving Me the 
minute I stop entertaining them and giving them presents. No. What I ask you to 
do is give Me everything. Not fruits or flowers or money or land, but you, all 
of you with nothing held back. Your mind, your heart, your soul… “He stopped 
and paused, then nodded to Himself. “But those are just words.” They were 
silent for a time.

The writer stood behind the couch and waited. There was nothing he could say. A 
kind of warmth and closeness he had never known before was spreading through 
his consciousness and it frightened him. He felt in danger of being smothered 
by it, but it wasn’t just the intensity of the feeling that disturbed him. It 
was the sudden realization that this feeling of love—he thought it was love—was 
different from any other kind of love he had felt or heard about or read of 
before. It may have been this inability to define what he felt that caused him 
suddenly to panic. In less than a minute he had become a displaced person, 
emotionally, isolated in the dark unknown, and to cope with this puzzling 
anxiety the only defense he could find was to turn it off.

Baba watched him for a time with intensity. “You cannot run away from me,” Baba 
said. “As I told you, no one can come to Puttaparthi, however accidental it 
might seem, without My calling him. I bring only those people here who are 
ready to see Me, and nobody else, nobody, can find his way here. When I say 
‘ready’ there are different levels of readiness, you understand.”

Baba laughed. “You wonder why I called you here instead of millions of other 
people because you don’t like the way you feel for me. Isn’t it? And it makes 
you worry why I called you.”

The writer laughed, his tension broken, and Baba laughed with him. “It worries 
me,” the writer said. “When you ask me to give myself to You completely; I 
can’t do that. I spent too long getting control of my life to just blindly 
become somebody’s slave, even if you’re God, or not God, just a man with 
superhuman powers of yoga. I don’t trust anybody that much.”

“Do you trust yourself?” Baba asked.

The writer smiled, “Not much.”

“I know your past and I know your future so I know why you suffer and how you 
can escape suffering and when you finally will.”

“When I die?” The writer was being half-facetious.

“Yes, I know,” Baba said. “In all your past lives too, you were always afraid 
of death.”

“I’m not afraid of death.”

“That’s all you are afraid of,” Baba said. “You think death is something bad, 
but death is neither bad nor good. Death is death.”

“What purpose does it serve?”

“Why does a person die?” Baba took a moment to reflect. He looked at His finger.

“So he won’t die again. He is born so he won’t be born again.”

“I don’t understand,” the writer said.

“Life is only relatively real,” Baba said. “Until death it only appears to be 
real. And, after all, the only part that dies is the body, not the person who 
lives in the body. When a cat or a dog dies he leaves the world the same as 
before he lived in it, but a man should leave the world a better place then 
when he came into it. For no other reason was he born, for no other reason does 
he die.”

“Are you God?” The writer heard himself say. He had not planned to go into that 
subject at all.

“Why do you waste your time and energy trying to explain Me?” Baba said, with a 
trace of irritation. “Can a fish measure the sky? If I had come as Narayana 
with four arms they would have put Me in a circus, charging money for people to 
see Me. If I had come only as a man, like every other man, who would listen to 
Me? So I had to come in this human form, but with no more than human powers 
and…wisdom.”

“Then you are God. Is that what you are saying?”

“First you have to understand yourself. I told you that. And then you will 
understand Me. I’m not a man; I’m not a woman; I’m not old; I’m not young; I’m 
all of these.”

The writer laughed, without quite knowing why. He was embarrassed for having 
asked the question and unnerved by the answer. Here was a human being, or what 
looked like one, curled up on a studio couch, His legs tucked beneath Him like 
a teen-age girl, and there was nothing the writer could think of that would 
allow him to accept the idea that this person with the Afro-hairdo and the 
orange dress could actually, literally, be God.

“Some people think it’s a beautiful thing,” Baba said, “for the Lord to be on 
the earth in human form, but if you were in My place you would not feel it’s so 
beautiful. I know everything that happened to everybody in the past, present, 
and future, so I’m not so quick to give people the mercy they beg Me for. I 
know why a person has to suffer in this life and what will happen to him the 
next time he is born because of that suffering this time, so I can’t act the 
way people want Me to. They call Me cold-hearted one time, soft-hearted the 
next. Why don’t I do this? Why don’t I do that? Why don’t I stop all wars 
forever and get rid of all disease and suffering? What they don’t know is I’m 
not responsible for suffering. I don’t cause suffering any more than I cause 
happiness and joy. People make their own palaces and their own chains and their 
own prisons.”

“Can I write about that in my book?” the writer asked.

“What do you know about Me?” Baba asked. “Do you believe in Me the way I said 
you had to believe in Me?”

“Not yet.”

“Then how can you write about Me? You’re like a child. When I give you what you 
want or make you laugh, you love Me, but the next minute when I’m too busy and 
can’t see you the minute you want Me to, you want to ‘kill’ Me. Isn’t it? You 
listen to Me with respect, but then in private you laugh at Me. What kind of 
book can you possibly write about Me?”

“That kind of book. Exactly.”

“For what purpose? Publicity? I don’t need publicity.

“What are you telling me? I can’t write the book?”

Baba laughed. “Write it. Write your book. That’s your duty, dharma. But write 
the truth. Only what you saw here. Only the truth. How you laughed at Me, hated 
Me, that’s part of it; and if you want to, how you loved Me, the few times you 
let yourself love Me.”

Baba took both of His hands and rubbed them as hard as He could on the writer’s 
chest, massaging it vigorously as if to stimulate the writer’s spiritual 
circulation.

“I’m always with you,” Baba said. “Even when you don’t believe in Me, even when 
you try to forget Me; Even when you laugh at Me or hate Me; Even when I seem to 
be on the opposite side of the earth. But you need material things to remind 
you, isn’t it?”

He pushed up His sleeves and rotated His open palm as He closed His fingers. 
When He opened them He was holding a gold ring with His picture painted on a 
porcelain in the center, surrounded by sixteen stones which seemed to be 
diamonds. He put the ring on the writer’s finger. It fits perfectly. The writer 
laughed. “How can I ever get this through customs?”

“Don’t worry,” Baba said. “I’ll take care of it.”

He touched the ring with His fingertips.

“I am in you,” Baba said, “You are in Me. Don’t forget that. We cannot be 
separated.


Sai Ram

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