The Below Conversation between Swami and Prof.Anil Kumar is taken from 
www.saiwisdom.com...


I asked Swami, "Swami, the speaker didn’t find time to clarify my doubts. He 
didn’t call for any question and answer session. I too have some doubts." 


Swami said, "What is the doubt?" 


I said "The doubt is this: The speaker mentioned three words – clay or mud, pot 
and the potter. But he has not said what they stand for. What is the clay? What 
is the pot? Who is the potter? What has it got to do with the Vedanta of 
dualism?".


Swami said, "Clay or mud is the nature or five elements. Pot is the individual, 
all of us. We are made out of this nature. The body is out of earth. There’s 
space inside. There’s fire inside. All the five elements are there in every one 
of us. So, we are made of clay, nature. After death, the whole thing will go 
back to nature. So a pot is made out of clay. A pot you use again and again for 
years. When it falls, it breaks to pieces, again becomes clay, and again 
becomes pot. Pot, after breaking, becomes the clay once again. This is what we 
mean by birth and rebirth, the birth and death cycle. It gets repeated: 
clay-pot, pot-clay."


"Swami, where is the end for that?" 


Swami said, "This pot has the name of a pot. This pot has a size. This pot has 
a lifetime, some period of existence between that period of its making and the 
period of its breaking, something like birth and death. Life is a span of time 
between birth and death. When once the pot forgets, gives up, the two, the name 
and form, it travels towards the Potter (the Creator, God, and Divine), which 
means man becomes one with God, Advaita, the merger, moksha, nirvana, 
liberation, birthlessness, deathlessness, immortal.


This immortality is possible by giving up the name and form, so that the pot 
would become one with the Potter. If it remains in the state of name and form, 
it moves towards the clay. But so long as these two subsist, nama and rupa, the 
pot travels to the clay, towards nature, to continue the cycle of life and 
death."


Sai Ram

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