You said that the new entries are similar to existing entries. So I would presume that you have other entries that are the same (except for the hostname). Those can be selected within the IMPORT interface as being template entries.
Dirk. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim A Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 4:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [SA-list] adding entries to SAlive Dirk, No offense but I don't think that does me any good whatsoever. How do you sepecify the actual check and the rest of the info that way? Right now, my script generates a complete SA entry with every single item I want defined including email alerts, schedules etc. I assuming that this method just sets up a generic ping test or something. I'm setting up all kinds of different tests including external COM etc. Regards, Tim > -----Original Message----- > From: Dirk Bulinckx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 07:11:19 +0200 > Subject: RE: [SA-list] adding entries to SAlive > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Forgot about the stats. > The stats for the entries you are using as template are not changed (for the > original entry), the "copy" of the template entries (based on the names in > the import file) start with clean stats. > > > Dirk. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Dirk Bulinckx > Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 6:37 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [SA-list] adding entries to SAlive > > THE format is very simple > hostname , prettyname , remark > > (were prettyname and remark are not realy needed) > > Dirk. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Tim A > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 11:41 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [SA-list] adding entries to SAlive > > Because that is pretty manual. Right now I'm scripting the generation of the > textfile and can script a restart of the service. > Will the import wipe out stats as well? If so, then I might want to go down > the road of scripting something that would pretend > to use the import option of the file menu through the GUI. Otherwise this is > a step backwards. > > Furthermore, what is the format of the file that you import using this > method? Is it exactly the same as the config file that is > saved to disk? > > Thanks for the response Dirk. Anything further on some of the other points > made in this thread that only SA folks can answer? > > Tim > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dirk Bulinckx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 22:33:52 +0200 > > Subject: RE: [SA-list] adding entries to SAlive > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Why not use the import option (of the edit menu)? > > Create a textfile with the hostname(s) (one per line), select that > hostfile > > in the import screen, select the template entries (click in the checkbox), > > select "no delimiter" and click import.... > > > > > > Dirk. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf > > Of Tim A > > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 10:18 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: [SA-list] adding entries to SAlive > > > > We are typically always adding stuff in bulk. With the amount of entries > we > > are adding it is not feasible to do it manually. The > > entries are typically very similar for each site so I have a template > which > > generates a bunch of entries that get tacked onto > > the hosts file. > > > > I will try editing from the console to see the difference. > > > > Not too concerned about "stateful" if I understand what you are referring > > to. I'm more interested in having a history of stats > > to show % UP/DOWN which we output via HTML. Easy to identify potential > > problem sites when you have so many being monitored. > > Couldn't care much about when SA is down as I'm trying to come up with a > > method of adding new entries without taking it down and > > therefore in theory it would remain up all the time. > > > > I'll still need to pull data from the database anyway to get more detailed > > reporting on whatever we like but would be nice to > > have it via HTML without re-inventing the wheel. > > > > We have sites that are continuously coming online that we would like to > > monitor. I'd rather not have a scheduled time period for > > adding but would rather just add as soon as they come online which could > be > > at anytime during the day. The sooner we start > > monitoring these sites the better. Without going into detail, our business > > is such that this will continue for some time to come > > so I need a best case solution and some awareness from SA folks that this > is > > something some heavy users are going to be > > interested in. > > > > Tim > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Kevin Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:20:40 -0400 > > > Subject: RE: [SA-list] adding entries to SAlive > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > A lot of the answers are in the list archive... > > > > > > If you are adding entries via the GUI you do not need to restart. The > > only > > > time I add/change via the hosts file(it is an unsupported method) is > when > > > I'm doing it in bulk. > > > > > > When you use TS you are running a separate instance of the desktop. > > > Starting SA in this case is starting a new application. The service is > > > still running on the console. You can edit via the gui from the > console, > > > using TS on Win2k3 with the /console switch, or use something like VNC > > that > > > show the actual console not a remote desktop. > > > > > > The question about "stateful" statistics comes up a lot but I don't see > > the > > > value in it. What should SA do with the missing time periods? If the > > state > > > is kept from the last check cycle(assume up) and after the restart it is > > > down should SA assume that it was up the entire time SA was offline? > It's > > a > > > tricky question that I don't think anyone has a clear answer for. Dirk > > may > > > have more ideas. > > > > > > What kind of statistics reporting are you looking for? System uptime? # > > of > > > cycles up or down? When I need reports I usually pull the data from the > > log > > > files or the database entries. Jack > > > Lyons(http://www.lyonsonline.net/jack/Projects/) has some scripts that > > might > > > help. > > > > > > What are you doing that you add so many entries a day? Is it possible > to > > > schedule the additions at midnight so there is one restart and you have > > 23+ > > > hours of statistics? At least it would provide a consistent set of > > numbers. > > > Will this be continuous or just while it's being set up? > > > > > > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf > > > Of Tim A > > > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 1:53 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: RE: [SA-list] adding entries to SAlive > > > > > > Understood on the making changes and restarting from scratch. Are there > > any > > > plans for a future version of SA to pickup where it left off by storing > > the > > > stats or using the stats that are dumped to a database?? As it is now, > > this > > > isn't really useful when adding new entries continuously so I'm likely > > going > > > to have to write all my own stuff for generating useful stats from the > > > database output. > > > > > > And yes, I'm running the GUI through a Terminal Services session. What > is > > > the correct method then of having a running service of SA and being able > > to > > > make manual changes through the GUI or at least see the status of things > > as > > > the service sees them? Is it best to create a user that the service runs > > > under and then also login (not through terminal services) to run the > GUI. > > > NOTE, we do make some minor changes through the GUI but since we are > > adding > > > approx 15 entries per day semi-automated it doesn't make much sense to > use > > > the GUI for that. > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Kevin Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 12:10:27 -0400 > > > > Subject: RE: [SA-list] adding entries to SAlive > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > You must restart SA for it to recognize the changes or load via the > > > > menu or telnet the host file. In any case it has the same effect, you > > > > will be starting from zero as far as status and statistics are > > concerned. > > > > Restarting the service works exactly as expected on my system. > > > > > > > > It sounds like you are running two instances of SA. Are you doing > > > > this through Terminal Services? If so you are starting a separate > > > > application instance of SA and not using the service instance. > > > > > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > > > Behalf Of Tim A > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 11:49 AM > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Subject: [SA-list] adding entries to SAlive > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > I'm attempting to add entries to Servers Alive externally from the > > > > GUI. I don't know if this is the best way of doing it but I'm adding > > > > lines to the .txt config file that Servers Alive uses and that works > > > > well except for Servers Alive not recognizing the new entries until > > > > the service is restarted. The issue there is that once the service is > > > > restarted all stats are wiped out and things start from scratch. Also, > > > > it seems that the SA service needs to be stopped completely and then > > > > started again rather than using the "restart service". At least it > seems > > > to me when "restart service" > > > > is used it doesn't recognize the changes to the .txt file. > > > > > > > > So, is there some way of getting servers alive to recognize changes to > > > > the config file without a restart? Or is there a better way of adding > > > > entries programmatically outside of the GUI? > > > > > > > > On another note, there seems to be a disconnect between the instance > > > > of SA running as a service and an instance started via GUI. > > > > Is this normal or is there some way to have these interact together as > > > > one would expect? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from a list, send a mail message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > With the following in the body of the message: > > > > unsubscribe SAlive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from a list, send a mail message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > With the following in the body of the message: > > > > unsubscribe SAlive > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > > > > To unsubscribe from a list, send a mail message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > With > > > the following in the body of the message: > > > unsubscribe SAlive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > > > > To unsubscribe from a list, send a mail message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > With the following in the body of the message: > > > unsubscribe SAlive > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > > To unsubscribe from a list, send a mail message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > With the following in the body of the message: > > unsubscribe SAlive > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > > To unsubscribe from a list, send a mail message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > With the following in the body of the message: > > unsubscribe SAlive > > > > ------------------------- > > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > To unsubscribe from a list, send a mail message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > With the following in the body of the message: > unsubscribe SAlive > > ------------------------- > > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > To unsubscribe from a list, send a mail message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > With the following in the body of the message: > unsubscribe SAlive > > > > > ------------------------- > > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > To unsubscribe from a list, send a mail message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > With the following in the body of the message: > unsubscribe SAlive > ------------------------- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] To unsubscribe from a list, send a mail message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] With the following in the body of the message: unsubscribe SAlive ------------------------- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] To unsubscribe from a list, send a mail message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] With the following in the body of the message: unsubscribe SAlive
