On 05/19/2010 09:48 AM, Felix Miata wrote: > On 2010/05/19 09:12 (GMT-0400) David Eisner composed: > >> On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 11:22 PM, Felix Miata <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> Not even close. Arguably it's attractive, as long as you don't actually need >>> to use it or read anything on it. Pray your eyes are as good as a 15 year >>> old >>> or you aren't using a high resolution device to access it if so. > >> I like the new design. I'm not particularly young, and I don't have a >> particularly fancy monitor. I do wear glasses, though. > > Many people, regardless of age, even with correction, don't see particularly > well, but quite well enough to use web pages that respect their defaults. > These aren't the only people now being disrespected. All, regardless of > eyesight, should be respected. Web designers as a group either don't > understand the meaning of that word, or don't think it a necessary part of > designing for the web. > > http://fm.no-ip.com/Inet/shame.html
Felix, I respect your right to have and express your opinions regarding the new look of the Samba web site. I also wish to point out the great freedom we have and exercise in the open source community - that of contributing something better. Remember though, that since we are predominately consensus-driven, what you I view as best may not meet with unanimous agreement from the greater community. This gets us back to respect for the right to disagree. Seriously, if you have a strong conviction that the Samba project would be better served with a different look-and-feel, and a more appropriate logical layout, please pursue your concerns - and contribute at least a proof of concept. We are currently short of resources to help manage the web site and the wiki, so if you have an interest and a passion, and plenty of time on your hands, please let us see your hand raised to volunteer to get on with the work needed. I love feedback - good and bad! Cheers, John T. >> The CSS sizes the fonts in px, though, which is a problem. > > Exactly. > >> The issue >> isn't that your monitor has too low a resolution, it's that it's "too" >> high. > > Hogwash: > > 1-The technology to design web pages with resolution independence is more > than a decade old. http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Sites/Ksc/ is a very simple > example of how it can be done. Apply zoom, or change your default larger or > smaller to see how well it can work. > > 2-High resolution == high quality. Therefore, higher resolution _should_ mean > a higher quality web experience. Web fonts are famous for marginal to poor > quality. That lack of quality is proportional to DPI. The higher the DPI, the > higher the quality, as each character of any given physical size has more px > to be rendered with. My default of 24px has nominally 576 px per character, > compared to samba's 13px at nominal 169px, which is several orders of > magnitude higher quality. > > 3-A major reason still higher resolution isn't widely available yet is the > usability factor. Web pages and software are still being designed as if > people were using display hardware manufactured two decades ago. Were page > and software designers incorporating resolution independence, even more > advanced (still higher DPI) hardware to take advantage of it would be here > already. IOW, hardware technology is being held back by anachronistic > software and web page design. > >> Have you tried Ctrl-+ a few times? > > Of course. But it's necessary on virtually every page, because virtually > every page is designed either without regard to user defaults (in px), or by > setting some base size at a fraction of the defaults (assuming the defaults > are incorrectly set "too large"). > > Both behaviors (without regard, and assuming wrongly large) are offensive. > Ctrl-+ (and minimum font size) are _defensive_ features provided by browser > makers. Absent an offense, a defense needn't be applied. > > Poor legibility, caused primarily by too small fonts, besides being > offensive, is a widespread usability problem: > > http://www.useit.com/alertbox/designmistakes.html -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
