Gary Dale wrote:
Craig White wrote:
I'm keeping this on list.
On Thu, 2006-03-30 at 08:52 -0500, Gary Dale wrote:
Craig White wrote:
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if I was going to guess...I think your problems are...
http://samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba3-ByExample/small.html#id2525330
see items #3 through #7
you don't have a passwd chat script as I recall. That's probably
important.
your setup should track this setup as I see it.
http://samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba3-ByExample/secure.html
since you have no interest in advancing your skills, count me out next
time unless you learn to ask simple questions. The simple truth is, if
you want know little, point and click Windows network administration,
you are probably better off using a Microsoft Windows server.
My interest is in helping people that actually are interested in
learning something, yes gasp, those that actually do want to become
expert. Lastly, I would heavily suggest you forget about LDAP until
your
attitude changes because it is hostile to administrators that don't
want
to become knowledgdable.
Craig
Thanks Craig. I think you'll see a problem here. You suggest that
the issue may be a lack of a passwd chat script, while two others
suggest I remove the passwd chat script - which is almost identical
to the one in the second URL you just gave.
The issue isn't about whether people want to learn. It's about how
much they have to learn to get things to work. If something takes
too much effort, in the real world it doesn't get done. There is
nothing inherently complicated about managing a directory service.
Look at the simple Linux tools for user or printer administration
for proof. I see no virtue in making Samba-LDAP configuration a
black art. A basic setup should be easy to achieve. In fact, from
what I have been reading, LDAP should be the standard Samba backend.
That won't happen if people have to spend a week or more learning
how to use it.
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You completely do not get it.
Samba is infinitely configurable.
Windows - at the moment of setup you have to choose the role for a
server, whether a domain controller or a member server. The workstation
is sold separately.
Samba provides all of those roles including a Windows 95/98 server too.
There is no way that anyone can solve your problem with any certainty
without suitable logs, an inspection of your tdbsam and your /etc/passwd
files AND the smb.conf, the whole of which you dumped on us last night
and undoubtedly have changed many times since. Proper mail list
etiquette and a commitment to demonstrating that you are actually
focused on the problem would dictate that you limit those items to only
the minimum necessary logs, smb.conf, etc.
Your information is incomplete and as I stated last night, I am not
going to speculate any further on your problems. In fact, your reply has
made me sorry that I even speculated on the solution to your problem.
As for my 'seeing' the problem - that being in your mind - different
suggestions to solve your problem - that is absolutely absurd.
***The problem*** is you don't know how to provide the information with
which someone can tell you what the definitive solution would be.
As for your suggestion that Samba-LDAP a black art...Samba is Samba and
LDAP is LDAP - you understand neither package so expecting them to work
for you is a rather pointless endeavor. Knowledge is power and you
appear to be lacking both. Yet you expect them to work for you even
though you don't understand them nor wish to understand them - I wish
you luck.
Let me be blunt - you are a help vampire. Please don't email me any more
until you change your ways.
Craig
Under your rules, it is up to the patient to figure out what tests
need to be performed before visiting the doctor. :)
I have always regarded the help process as a dialogue - maybe that
comes from my having worked in systems support at one time, or maybe
it comes from my being a systems consultant (both inhouse and contract
at various times) - but I have never expected the customer to tell me
what is wrong in a manner that I can immediately say "here's what you
have to do".
In my experience, the customer/patient comes to the experts with a
problem. The experts dig around to determine what the issue really is,
including asking for specific tests or more information. Then they
make a diagnosis and prescribe a treatment/solution.
Insulting the patient/customer is usually not a good way to go about
things. I've been working with PCs since 1978 and with Linux since
1998. I put a lot of effort into learning about making things work.
And according the the Mensa test, I'm not stupid. :) But I'm also not
someone who has a narrowly defined role. My customers expect me to be
broadly knowledgeable on just about every topic associated with
computers. Even if I became an LDAP guru, I'd be unlikely to maintain
that level of expertice for long. That is a fact of life in the real
world.
Responding to your particular criticism about what I did post: You
have demonstrated on several occaisions that you haven't read or
understood my posts. You have said that you weren't sure what setup I
was using LDAP or tdbsam) when my post stated I was using tdbsam. You
said I didn't have a passwd change dialogue, when the smb.conf I
posted did. And you said that I posted the entire smb.conf when I
clearly indicated that I had trimmed unnecessary parts from it.
I note however that this exchange has generated some helpful tips on
resolving the problem. This is in sharp contrast to my earlier posts
on the topic last September, and my recent posts on problems with
LDAP, both of which were largely ignored (except for an exchange with
Jeremy Allison which didn't resolve the problem). My "style" of
posting this time seems to have achieved results, so if you object to
it, perhaps you should look at your "style" of figuring out who to
respond to. :) If I'd had this level of response last year, or even in
my LDAP posts, things would have been a lot simpler for me.
BTW: Windows, the last time I looked (which was W2K), allows you to
change server roles. You can add or remove domain control
functionality easily. And I recall using a third-party tool to promote
and demote NT domain controllers before W2K (actually, it was helpful
in moving the organization from NT to W2K and in restructuring the
domain setup).
I'm not going to defend Windows, but I'm also not going to resort to
hyperbole about Linux being "infinitely configurable". There are only
a small number of reasonable backends for Samba. They are tdbsam, LDAP
and MySQL. Clear, straightforward configuration of each is not
unachievable. It's only one more backend than Windows domains have (NT
and ADS).
Anyway Craig, thanks for your input. You've been quite helpful.
PLEASE STOP...
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