Gee thanks, Jeremy, for a personal attack rather than addressing any of the specifics raised. I'm not looking for a flame war. I'm looking for some recognition that the Samba project may have gone astray in the decision to package winbind as part of the main package, given the many specific shortcomings - which will be obvious if you spend a few days, as I just have, going back through all the many reports from the field in these lists. If a core OSS project like Samba isn't ready to support an auxillary program like winbind by keeping its documentation up to date and by creating enough of a community around it to actually answer problem reports made to this list, it should at least warn "Winbind is beta software, largely undocumented and unsupported by the Samba project and community."
My ethic has always been: If there's a rock in the path, I remove it so the next person along doesn't trip over it. If something's clearly not documented, or not performing according to common sense expectations and a fair reading of the documentation as it stands, and it's raised in the main list for the project, it should be addressed by someone from the project both on the list, and through improvements in the documentation. Take a look at the documentation around any other major package: Apache, Sendmail, Bind, Postfix, Perl, PHP, MySQL, OpenSSH, OpenVPN, Netfilter ... all of it is in far better shape Samba's, and most of these are more complex projects. I've seen comments from some of the Samba developers (not Tridge!) that they prefer it if Samba bites sysadmins who do things "wrong," rather than handle system variations gracefully. Well, if that's going to be the attitude, but the "right" way is only half-specified, there's a problem. Regards, Whit On Sun, Feb 17, 2008 at 10:39:17AM -0800, Jeremy Allison wrote: > On Sun, Feb 17, 2008 at 11:15:32AM -0500, Whit Blauvelt wrote: > > > Either I'm getting too old for this work, or it uniquely fails the usability > > test. > > You're getting too old for this work.... > > Jeremy. -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
