YES! Enlightenment! :)
This is what I'm trying to do. Yes, I'm listed as secondary for him.
I think it's the order in which sambar handles mail. I'm thinking if I
turned of smtp auth, it'd all just start working. I can't do that on the
production machine. Here's my theory on what's happening.
Sambar get's mail knocking on the door.
sambar checks to see if to local mailboxes.
if not local, sambar checks smtp auth.
sambar refuses acceptance of mail.
sambar never gets to the "relay domains" setting because of auth.
According to my feeble minded theory, sambar should be checking for relay
domain before it does the auth.
Since I'm doing Linux squid sever on a way underutilized machine. Am going
to attempt to use postfix on that machine to do this stuff. But am still
interested if my theory is correct.
Highest Regards,
__________________________________________________________________ Rodney
Richison 918-358-1111 www.rcrnet.net +
__________________________________________________________________
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Byrne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "sambar List Member" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 10:24 AM
Subject: [sambar] relay {11}
> This really isn't correct. Rodney is trying to set up a BACKUP email
> server. This is done all the time by responsible ISPs and knowledgeable
> corporations running their own email servers. The first step (which I
> assume Rodney has done) is to create a second MX record with a lower
> priority. When an SMTP server looks up the MX records, it will try to
send
> the mail for that domain to the primary email server first (as defined by
> the MX records). If that fails, and other MX records exist, the SMTP
server
> will attempt to send the mail to the mail servers as defined by the
> remaining MX records. Rodney only wants to be a secondary "MX" server.
> *IF* the email server software is capable of performing secondary services
> (and I can't answer this because I don't use Sambar's email functions)
then
> it should be easy enough to set a configuration option *someplace* that
> tells the server to accept all inbound mail for xdomain.com (whatever) and
> store it until the primary server is reachable. When the primary is up
> again, the secondary server simply sends the mail to it as it would *any*
> other pending mail. This is not "open relaying" and should not require
> special authentication.
>
> Like I said, I don't know if Sambar has secondary domain logic built in or
> not, but this is a generally accepted practice and follows the RFCs for
> email routing.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Danny Mallory" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "sambar List Member" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 7:33 AM
> Subject: [sambar] relay {10}
>
>
> Guys,
> I don't understand what relay domains has to do with MX.. All relay
domains
> is saying is let anyone with that domain in their from to send mail(SMTP)
> through my server.. What Rodney is wanting to do is MX which means he
wants
> to receive the mail.. In that case Rodneys mail server has to recognize
the
> message as a Local Domain, and then he has to route it to a local
mailbox..
> Now, after he gets the message he has to figure out how to get the mail
over
> to his buddies machine once his buddies machine is back up and running.
>
> Now first thought for this, I would think his buddy would just run some
> fetchers that constantly pull from Rodneys mailboxes, however, in this
case
> you would not ever want the users doing pop3 to Rodeys box because
> potentially users would be stuck there(dns) while their mail is on the
other
> server.
>
> Another wild hair I could pull out is if both Rodney and his friends mail
> servers were DNS servers(ns1,ns2).. Each with "different" mx and smtp
> settings, so that if one of them were down, the other DNS server would
give
> different IP info to smtp and pop3's.. The downside to this is those DNS
> cache resolvers in win2k world resulting in the same downside as the
> previous paragraph.
>
> SMTP relaying(outbound) is easy.. The receiving part is where the pain is.
>
> Danny
>
> On 13/Mar/2003 10:00:22, Claus Lund wrote:
> > No, I don't "require auth". I restrict relay to my lan only, and don't
see
> the need for it. And I'm not a open relay - I'm very aware of that
problem.
> >
> > Maybe "require auth" is your problem as Matt mention to...
> >
> > The 5.3 prod. will be out in e few weeks I belive... maybe it will do it
> for you... or maybe it's just the same :)
> >
> > Claus
> >
> > On 13/Mar/2003 01:49:24, Rodney Richison wrote:
> > > You got it. That is what I want to do. I only want to do backup mx
> service
> > > for him. Am using version 5.2. The option is there. I tried a beta
> before on
> > > the production server and swore I'd never do that again. :)
> > >
> > > Let me ask you something. Do you have "require auth" enabled on these
> test
> > > machines? Just curious.
> > >
> > >
> > > Highest Regards,
> > > __________________________________________________________________
> Rodney
> > > Richison 918-358-1111 www.rcrnet.net +
> > > __________________________________________________________________
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Claus Lund" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "sambar List Member" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 1:20 AM
> > > Subject: [sambar] relay {07}
> > >
> > >
> > > > I belive "Relay Domains" is a new feature in the 5.3 betas, and I
have
> > > been testing it on 2 servers of my own, using one of the latest
> releases.
> > > >
> > > > You just have to add the domain you want to act as bacup for in the
> > > mail.ini -> Relay Domains. And don't add in as Local Domains.
> > > >
> > > > And for the domain that need the backup, you have to add you backup
> server
> > > in the mx record.
> > > >
> > > > I worked fine for me, but I would like to test it for a server
outside
> my
> > > lan, so if some one here have a domain for testing, let me know.
> > > >
> > > > What Sambar version are you using Rodney?
> > > >
> > > > Regards, Claus
> > > >
> > > > On 13/Mar/2003 00:22:43, Danny Mallory wrote:
> > > > > You are somewhat correct in that your mail server could be used as
a
> > > outbound mail relay.. Meaning.. If he goes down then his users could
use
> you
> > > as an SMTP server to send mail out(allow relaying).. However the check
> you
> > > are doing is apparently resolving your ip as one of the MX exchangers
> which
> > > means that you are also supposed to be accepting mail for him.. If
that
> is
> > > the case then you need to setup his accounts so that your mail server
> will
> > > accept his mailboxes.. Then figure out how to push the mail back to
his
> > > server when hes back up. Including postmaster.. Hopefully someone else
> here
> > > can speak up if I am out of line on making all this work seamlessly to
> the
> > > client.
> > > > >
> > > > > Danny
> > > > >
> > > > > On 12/Mar/2003 23:50:26, Rodney Richison wrote:
> > > > > > Ok, Let me start all over.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've a buddy that wants to host his own mail. He wants me to be
a
> > > backup
> > > > > > mail server for him in case he goes down for awhile.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From what I see in the docs, you should simply put
> *fineimages.com in
> > > the
> > > > > > relay domains. At that point, any and all mail destined for
> > > fineimages.com
> > > > > > should be forwarded to his server. This is not happening.
Instead,
> > > sambar is
> > > > > > rejecting the mail saying the user doesn't exist. There are no
> users
> > > on my
> > > > > > system for fineimages.com. I'm just doing backup relay for him.
> Or
> > > trying
> > > > > > to...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Highest Regards,
> > > > > >
__________________________________________________________________
> > > Rodney
> > > > > > Richison 918-358-1111 www.rcrnet.net +
> > > > > >
__________________________________________________________________
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Danny Mallory" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > To: "sambar List Member" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 11:28 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [sambar] relay {04}
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Maybe I am not clear of what all your issues are.. Basically
> your
> > > email
> > > > > > states that you were getting rejects for postmaster.. This is
> because
> > > the
> > > > > > mail server that is being delivered to either
> > > > > > > a:) does not accept mail for that domain (local domain list)
> > > > > > > b:) does not have a generic postmaster accept.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My statement was that you either have to create a
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > for each of your domains or just create a alias as I mentioned
> that
> > > will
> > > > > > accept [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is there something else broken that im not seeing in your
> message?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Danny
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 12/Mar/2003 23:11:43, Rodney Richison wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hi Danny,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I was not clear. Since I'm doing backup mx for him,
shouldn't
> my
> > > machine
> > > > > > > > accept ANY mail going to fineimages.com and hold it for him?
I
> > > should
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > to set up any mail accounts for him right?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I put him in local domains to see if that will help. Dang
it,
> I
> > > know
> > > > > > this is
> > > > > > > > simple. I'm just not seeing the light!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Highest Regards,
> > > > > > > >
> __________________________________________________________________
> > > > > > Rodney
> > > > > > > > Richison 918-358-1111 <A
> > > HREF="http://www.rcrnet.net";>www.rcrnet.net</a>
> > > > > > +
> > > > > > > >
> __________________________________________________________________
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: "Danny Mallory" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > To: "sambar List Member" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 10:36 PM
> > > > > > > > Subject: [sambar] relay {02}
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > create an email alias to cover all your domains.
> > > > > > > > > ie;
> > > > > > > > > postmaster = [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > It is an RFC requirement for both your mail server and
your
> dns
> > > > > > servers to
> > > > > > > > report/allow an authorized administrator.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Danny
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 12/Mar/2003 18:26:22, Rodney Richison wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Want to set up backup mx for another guy. Though I
entered
> > > them in
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > relay domain, sambar is giving this:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > *************************************************
> > > > > > > > > > ERROR: One or more of your mailservers does not accept
> mail to
> > > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mailservers are required
> (RFC822
> > > 6.3,
> > > > > > RFC1123
> > > > > > > > > > 5.2.7, and RFC2821 4.5.1) to accept mail to postmaster.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > mailserv.rcrnet.net's postmaster response:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >>> RCPT TO: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > <<< 501 Invalid mail recipient. Relay requires SMTP
AUTH.
> > > > > > > > > > ***************************************************
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > What am I forgetting to do gentlemen?
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