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Today's Topics:

   1. Humour in Sanskrit Grammer (peekayar)
   2. avyayam (Vikram Santurkar)
   3. Shakuntala - 4 verses (Desiraju Hanumanta Rao)
   4. dakSiNena (peekayar)
   5. Comments on "tanimna" and Shakuntala 4 shlokas.  (Vis Tekumalla)
   6. Re: on "dakSiNena" (Nath Rao)


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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 20:36:35 -0800 (PST)
From: peekayar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Sanskrit] Humour in Sanskrit Grammer
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Dear Group Members,

The last few messages showed interesting discussion
on some nuances of Sanskrit grammer.  This reminds
me of a verse which I learnt from my father some 65
years ago while learning Sanskrit.  This should not be
taken as a comment on any one's knowledge of Sanskrit
grammer, but only as a piece of humour.

yasya SaSThI chaturthI cha
vihasya cha vihaaya cha  /
ahaM kathaM dvitIyaa syaat
dvitIyaa syaamaham katham //

You may send the meaning of this directly 
to me which will be published along with mine 
on 9th Feb.04.

Regards.

P.K.Ramakrishnan 
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 00:04:13 -0800
From: "Vikram Santurkar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Sanskrit] avyayam
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Namaste Sai,

Regarding avyayam, here is the shloka that defines it

avyayaM triShu li~NgeShu sarvAsu cha vibhaktiShu .
vachaneShu cha sarveShu yanna vyeti tadavyayam ..

avyayaM=immutable,indeclinable;
triShu=in three;
li~NgeShu=in three genders;
sarvAsu=in all;
vibhaktiShu=noun declensions;
sarveShu=in all;
vachaneShu=utterances,sentences;
yat=whatever;
na=not;
vyeti=changes
tat=that
avyayam=un-changable

That word which does not change form [indeclinable] in three genders, in all 
noun declensions, in all sentences is avyayam


There are five kinds (shown with a few examples)
1) Prefixes [suffixes] - su, ati, vi, upa, prati, ava ....The list is really 
very long here.
2) Adverbs - These often occur as frozen forms of nouns in a particular case 
ending.
Ex: punaH= again
      sahasA = all of a sudden
      dukhena = painfully
      kShaNena= in a moment
      dUre=at a distance
      aMtareNa = without, other than
3) Particles - kA, ku, chana, chit
4) conjunctions - yadA, tadA,  atha, va, tu, chet
5) Interjections - hA, hanta, aho, bata

You don't form avyayam's  -- they exist.

dhanyavAdaH
Vikram

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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 01:15:23 -0800 (PST)
From: Desiraju Hanumanta Rao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Sanskrit] Shakuntala - 4 verses
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kAvyeshhu nATakaM ramyaM tatra ramyA shakuMtalA .
tatrApicha chaturtho~Nkastatra shlokachatushhTayam -- this verse is in appreciation of 
Kalidas, also called aabhaaNakam, ie right from bhaaNa everone appreciated it. 

what four shlokas in the 4th Act. There will be another suffix shloka saying -
'yaasyat adya' iti tatra api shlokaH sarva manoharaH... 
 
4-6 : yaasyat adya shakuntala iti...
4- 9: paatum na prathamam
4-17: asmaan saadhu vicintya
4-18: shuSruuSasva guruun
 
It will be meaningless to explain what these verses say, in an abridged manner here, 
but the gist is how a father feels while sending his daughter to in-laws' house; how 
that new bride has to behave with her husband; how she has to render service to her 
in-laws, are heart-touchingly said in them.
 
Pl obtain a copy of MR Kale from Inbdia Club and read the analysis of the verses.
dhrao





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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 06:53:22 -0800 (PST)
From: peekayar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Sanskrit] dakSiNena
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In a recent message Mr.Toke had mentioned -

"It is also in this context that I have seen dakSiNena
as an avyaya.  I am sorry that I have not found an
example yet, but I will keep looking."

I wish to mention that Apte's printed Dictionary
gives the following -

DakSiNena - ind. (avyaya) on the right side of
(with acc. dvitiyA- or gen. SaSthii) - example -
aye dakSiNena vR^ikSavATikAM AlApa iva shruyate -
Sakuntalam Act. 1. (Bombay Edition)

Regards.

P.K.Ramakrishnan



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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 07:33:53 -0800 (PST)
From: Vis Tekumalla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Sanskrit] Comments on "tanimna" and Shakuntala 4 shlokas. 
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 Mr. D.H. Rao has recently sent me 3 or 4 e-mails that have good information that 
might be of interest to the group. I am consolidating those mails below. It appears he 
was having a problem posting to the group. These mails were sent to me using the 
e-mail reply button to my quiz e-mail (they were not replies to the quiz per say, just 
that reply feature was used by him), and obviously they made it to me okay. Mr. Rao 
has recently translated Geetagovindam and Ritusamharam and his translations are 
available at geocities.com/geervani.  
 ur correct in one way. not that entry in dic. is wrong but depends on usage, hence MW 
always saysifc - in fine composition. tanuman is slenderness, tanimna is one with 
slenderness, rather already slendered, ........

 Second thing. have u all seen MW lexicon in its entirety at > 
http://www.ibiblio.org/sripedia/ebooks/mw/index.html < as informed by Sriram >>

http://www.ibiblio.org/sripedia/index.html << 

 whole page is given, instead of MBDL's fetch page.

 If I reply this to ur emial, will it come to u, or fall under the point raised in 
discussions -pl tell me.

 dhrao

 For Sanskrit books (classics, etc.)

 http://www.indiaclub.com/shop/home.asp

http://www.sahitya-akademi.org/sahitya-akademi/bklst00.htm

http://www.sahitya-akademi.org/sahitya-akademi/con1.htm

 On the 4 verses in Shakuntala



kAvyeshhu nATakaM ramyaM tatra ramyA shakuMtalA, tatrApicha chaturtho~Nkastatra 
shlokachatushhTayam -- this verse is in appreciation of Kalidas, also called 
aabhaaNakam, i.e., right from bhaaNa everyone appreciated it. 

what four shlokas in the 4th Act. There will be another suffix shloka saying - 
'yaasyat adya' iti tatra api shlokaH sarva manoharaH... 

 4-6 : yaasyat adya shakuntala iti...

4- 9: paatum na prathamam

4-17: asmaan saadhu vicintya

4-18: shuSruuSasva guruun

It will be meaningless to explain what these verses say, in an abridged manner here, 
but the gist is how a father feels while sending his daughter to in-laws' house; how 
that new bride has to behave with her husband; how she has to render service to her 
in-laws, are heart-touchingly said in them.

Pl obtain a copy of MR Kale from Inbdia Club and read the analysis of the verses.

dhrao



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Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 12:56:40 -0500
From: Nath Rao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] on "dakSiNena"
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There is this often quoted definition of aaryavarta which uses dakSiNena 
as an avyaya (there are minor variations in this):
   praag aadarshaat pratyak kaalakavanaad dakSiNena himavantam
   uttareNa paariyaatram
(sometimes it is udak rather than uttareNa)

[There is an intriguing point about this word: Panini's sutra says enab 
anyatarasyaam adure 'panchamyaaH. That would mean that dakSiNena 
originally meant ``by the south of''. tRtiiyaa, with its sociative sense 
is apt. Apparently the meaning latter expanded (as in the example 
above), so that adure no longer applied.]

Nath Rao





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