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Today's Topics:
1. English example of avyayIbhAvaH (Jay Vaidya)
2. Re: some grammatical terms (Sai)
3. Re: some grammatical terms (Ambujam Raman)
4. Re: saptarshi (Vis Tekumalla)
5. Re: Re: saptarshi (Ambujam Raman)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 11:29:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jay Vaidya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Sanskrit] English example of avyayIbhAvaH
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I said in my last message that there is no English
analogy to avyavIbhAvaH.
I have now found a very weak example, which might be
analogous.
"To withstand" is a changeable word, a verb, with
forms like "withstands", "withstood", "withstanding",
etc.
>Today, he withstands the storm.
>Today they withstand the strom.
>Yesterday, he withstood the storm.
But "not+withstanding" = "notwithstanding" is a
conjunction, which is a non-changeable word.
>Today, this happens nowithstanding him.
>Today, these things happen notwithstanding them.
>Yesterday, this happened notwithstanding him.
This is weakly similar to an avyayIbhAva compound.
As always, it is best not to push these analogies
between sa.nskR^ita and English grammatical terms too
far.
dhana.njayaH
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:42:09 -0600
From: Sai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] some grammatical terms
To: Jay Vaidya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Thank you for your exposition.
I feel this is about the right level of detail.
I presume the '21' subanta forms are the vibhaktis.
When you say a word is the same in all its 21 subanta forms,
you mean that it can actually be used in all the vibhakti forms?
> grammar books. They are subanta. Careless
> schoolteachers sometimes say that these words do not
> have 21 forms. Careful teachers say that while making
> 21 forms, all forms come out to be the same.
how can you use 'yathASakti' in, say, ShaShTI vibhakti?
In that sense, isn't it true that they 'don't have' vibhakti forms?
Why is 'ti~Nanta called that way?
What is ti~N'y about ti~Nanta and what is sup'y about subanta? :-)
Do they have any meanings or are they just some arbitrary names for
conciseness?
How about karmaNi forms of verbs? kriyate is a ti~Nanta isn't it?
Where do laTs, loTs etc. fit in?
Next question: I need a "big picture" of sanskrit structure.
Is it possible to give a 30000 ft view of PaNini's construction of the
sanskrit language structure?
I am looking for something like:
"A meaningful sanskrit basic building block =
2000 roots x 18 ti~Nantas + 2000 roots x 21 subantas + ..."
I know my question may sound like "explain 'the world'" :-)
But I want to see all these technical words in perspective.
- Sai.
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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 23:03:55 -0400
From: "Ambujam Raman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] some grammatical terms
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how can you use 'yathASakti' in, say, ShaShTI vibhakti?
yathAshakti dharmAcaraNasya phalam vishiShTam bhavati
(According to one's capacity morality's following's result is special).
If the avyayIbhAvA is not used it will be:
yathaA shaktyAH dharmAcaraNasya phalam vishiShTam bhavati
(Just according as one's capacity's morality's following's result is
special)
The meaning can be same or differ depending on the context!
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Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 04:31:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: Vis Tekumalla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] saptarshi
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The three lists I gave are from an old Telugu dictionary (Andhra Vachaspatyamu by
Shyamala Shashtri). They are given under the word "gotra" discussing how gotras came
about, their names, rishis, etc. The dictionary does not mention the source of the
information.
Ambujam Raman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:According to shatapatha brahmana the sapta
rishis are:
Gautama, BharadvAja, VishvAmitra, Jamadagni, VashiShTa, KAshyapa and Atri.
Mahabharata gives them as:
mariichi, atri, a~Ngirasa, pulastya, pulahu, kratu, and vasiShTa
Vayu purANA adds Bhrigu to the list without dropping any!
Vishnu purANA adds Bhrigu and Daksha, but calls them nava brahma.RShi.
What is your reference for School 3 ?
There is no reference to Agastya being part of the group. The seven sapta rishis form
the seven stars of Ursa Major (the Great Bear). Agastya does'nt belong there. He is a
separate star Canopus in the southern hemisphere!
Raman
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Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 11:04:09 -0400
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Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Re: saptarshi
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>aho devadAsasya tarkaM!
>evam chet rAmAyaNaM prAthamikatayA saMskR^ita vA~NgmayaM >naiva khalu??
>(In that case, ramayana is not primarily sanskrit literature isn't it?)
agastyak.Rta Adityah.Rdayam vAlmIkirAmAyaNEna hi upasthita!
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