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1. Re: Re: sanskrit Digest, Vol 19, Issue 17name for listetc.
(Ambujam Raman)
2. ApTe shabdasya vibhaktirUpANi (Jay Vaidya)
3. Re: Re: sanskrit Digest, Vol 19, Issue 17name for listetc.
(Ambujam Raman)
4. Re: Re: sanskrit Digest, Vol 19, Issue 17name for listetc.
(Vis Tekumalla)
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(Ambujam Raman)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:42:03 -0400
From: "Ambujam Raman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Re: sanskrit Digest, Vol 19, Issue 17name for
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To: "Jay Vaidya" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "sanskrit digest"
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>api Apte shabdasya vibhakti rUpANi kAni?
1/8. Apte/Aptayau/AptayaH
2 AptayaM/Aptayau/AptayaH
3. AptayA/ApebhyAM/AptebhiH
4. Aptaye/ApebhyAM/AptebhyaH
5. ApteH/AptebhyAM/AptebhyaH
6. ApteH/AptayoH/AptayAM
7. Aptayi/AptayoH/ApteShu
dhana~njayaM mahodayaM p^RcchAmi iti
kimidAnIM marAtibhAshIya nAmadeyaM Apte h^risvAnta bhavati chet
tad ukArAnta puMli^Nga rUpeNa vibhaktyate ?
rAmaH
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Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 12:47:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jay Vaidya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Sanskrit] ApTe shabdasya vibhaktirUpANi
To: Ambujam Raman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, sanskrit digest
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siddhAnta-kaumudyAM e-kArAnta-pulliMgasya
vibhakti-rUpa-siddhiH naiva dR^ishyate | go-shabdAt
paraM rai-shabdaH |
tataH rAmeNa vyAkR^itAni sup-pratyaya-mAtram
upAyojitavanti rUpANi sAdhu
tat-pratham-aikavachana-varjitAni manye |
na pratham-aikavachanasya pratyaya-lopaH kartavyaH,
"ApteH" - iti visargaH raxitavyaH | ataH
1/s ApteH/Aptayau/AptayaH
api "ApebhyAm" iti "AptebhyAm" padasya sthAne
taMka-skhalanamAtram manye |
pUrA grantheshhu prAkR^itAni upanAmAni bAhulyena
samAse prathama-padavad yojayitvA
tad-vibhakti-rUpa-siddhir an-AvashyakI-kurvante sma
lekhakAH |
kALe-upanAma-dhArayantam nAgesham iti udAhR^itaM (na
tu uddhR^itam)
api tasya upanAma Apte vA ApaTe vA?
------
The formation of vibhakti forms of 'e'-ending
masculine words is not seen in the siddhAntakaumudI.
After the word 'go' is the word 'rai'.
Therefore, I consider that the conjugation by Ramagazh
using the sup-terminations directly is correct, except
for his first case singular.
The termination of the first case singular should not
be deleted, and the visarga of ApteH should be
preserved. Hence:
1/s ApteH/Aptayau/AptayaH
Also, I take the form "ApebhyAm" for "AptebhyAm" as a
typo only.
In older books, they often made the conjugation of
Prakrit surnames unnecessary by embedding them as the
first part of samAsa compounds.
e.g. kALe-upanAma-dhArayantam nAgesham (my example,
not a quote)
Now, is his surname Apte or ApaTe?
dhana.njayaH
--- Ambujam Raman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >api Apte shabdasya vibhakti rUpANi kAni?
>
> 1/8. Apte/Aptayau/AptayaH
> 2 AptayaM/Aptayau/AptayaH
> 3. AptayA/ApebhyAM/AptebhiH
> 4. Aptaye/ApebhyAM/AptebhyaH
> 5. ApteH/AptebhyAM/AptebhyaH
> 6. ApteH/AptayoH/AptayAM
> 7. Aptayi/AptayoH/ApteShu
>
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 15:51:38 -0400
From: "Ambujam Raman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Re: sanskrit Digest, Vol 19, Issue 17name for
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To: "Ambujam Raman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Jay Vaidya"
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Aptekoshe ghoShTyanveShitAH
TekamullarAmkrishNAbhyAM
ghoShTirvA ghoShThirveti vAdaM
ThaTaM TaThaM ThaM TaM TaMe
(with partial apology to Kalidasa for the viShama v^RittaM)
(last line should be interpreted as 'ThakArAya TakAraM vA TakArAya ThakAraM iti
ThakAra TakAra ca shabdam bhuvi' (On the earth there were sounds of Tha and Ta
(arguing) Tha for Ta or Ta for Tha).
Also note the meanings:
Tha = letter Tha; a loud noise. and
Ta = letter Ta; sound of the bowstring; earth.
rAmaH
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 15:08:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Vis Tekumalla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Re: sanskrit Digest, Vol 19, Issue 17name for
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To: Ambujam Raman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jay Vaidya
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rAmeNa uktam:
Aptekoshe ghoShTyanveShitAH
TekamullarAmkrishNAbhyAM
ghoShTirvA ghoShThirveti vAdaM
ThaTaM TaThaM ThaM TaM TaMe
(with partial apology to Kalidasa for the viShama v^RittaM)
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esha haasya-yamakasya ekam samskR^ita udaaharaNam (Chid saMyuj cha:-)
taara taara tareretairuttarottaratorutaiH .
rataartaa tittirii rauti teere teere tarau tarau ..
Love thirsty female bird (it is a female Titar bird = tittirii), while wandering on
river banks and trees, cries in a crescendo (a pitch that increses in loudness with
the time variable).
The last combination of words in the first line is broken as - taraiH etaiH
uttarittartaH utaiH.
mama naama Tekumalla, na Tekamulla:-)
"Chid-saMyuj" is the best I could do for "cut & paste." Please refine it if you feel
like. I am sure there must be some idiomatic expression for it somewhere. Does
"samskR^ita" translate to "classic" (not classical)?
...Vis Tekumalla
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Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 20:29:10 -0400
From: "Ambujam Raman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Re: sanskrit Digest, Vol 19, Issue 17name for
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To: "Vis Tekumalla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Jay Vaidya"
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kShamyatAM TekumallagAru!
bhavataH sandhiH ashuddhaM !
taraiH etaiH uttarittartaH utaiH = tarairetairuttarittarta utaiH
I have tried to fix it. Please check!
taara taarataraiH etaiH uttarottarataH ruTaiH
rataartaa tittirii rauti tiire tiire tarau tarau
(ruTai = by being tormented)
rAmaH
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Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 20:19:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: Vis Tekumalla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Re: sanskrit Digest, Vol 19, Issue 17name for
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To: Ambujam Raman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jay Vaidya
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I have no published work to check it against. Your fix seems to make sense. Like I
said, I found that "taarataara.." humorous alliteration online and c&p'd it. The place
where you can find it is, go to ------
http://sanskrit.gde.to/
scroll all the way down and click on the "Subhashita" link. Go to the second item on
the list that shows up (Subhashitas 1 with translations), and click on whatever you
prefer (ITX, PDF, etc.) and then scroll down almost all the way to the bottom. You can
find it there. May be the original poster made a mistake, or a mistake crept in its
tranliteration.
Ambujam Raman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
kShamyatAM TekumallagAru!
bhavataH sandhiH ashuddhaM !
taraiH etaiH uttarittartaH utaiH = tarairetairuttarittarta utaiH
I have tried to fix it. Please check!
taara taarataraiH etaiH uttarottarataH ruTaiH
rataartaa tittirii rauti tiire tiire tarau tarau
(ruTai = by being tormented)
rAmaH
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