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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: [L2] Translation request (was: help needed)
      (swamikkannu ravichandran)
   2. Re: FW:  [grammar] vyAkaraNa vaibhavaM - Introduction (Vidya R)
   3. Re: [Novice] Request for translations etc. (Pankaj Gupta)


Message: 1
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 10:58:00 +0530
From: swamikkannu ravichandran <>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] [L2] Translation request (was: help needed)
To: Sanskrit Mailing List <>
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 I have enclosed the required translation for you



On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Naresh Cuntoor <> wrote:

> Please see the message below.
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Binil Davis <>
> Date: Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 5:27 AM
> Subject: help needed
> To:
> Hi,
> Can anybody help me in getting the sanskrit word for "Quantity
> Surveying", "Quantity Surveyor", "Cost management", and "Civil
> Engineering" ?
> Regards,
> Binil
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 06:06:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: Vidya R <>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] FW:  [grammar] vyAkaraNa vaibhavaM -
To: Sanskrit Mailing List <>,       Avinash Sathaye
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"Regarding whether aN.h refers to 'a i u' or 'a i u R^i L^i e ai o au ha
ya va ra la', pANini has used the former definition of aN.h everywhere
except in one sUtra, namely, 
aNuditsavarNasyachApratyayaH, where the latter definition is meant. We'll 
discuss it when we get there."

In all, there are 42 'pratyAhAra's.  And, the 'pratyAhAra' 'aN' (alone) occurs 
twice.  Hence, both enumerations are required.

An interesting point to note is:  why use 'al' and 'hal' for list of all 
letters, and all consonants, respectively, instead of 'ar' and 'har'.


From: Sai Susarla <>
To: Avinash Sathaye <>; sanskrit <>;
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 7:18:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] FW:  [grammar] vyAkaraNa vaibhavaM - Introduction

Several clarifications regarding the first lesson and the ensuing discussion.
First, in my over-enthusiasm to send out the first intro email on grammar ASAP, 
I didn't proofread it carefully and several typing mistakes happened. Avinash 
mahodaya has pointed them out correctly. Please read his reply below for the 

Second, regarding the ongoing debate about the right way to represent 
devanAgari akShara's using english alphabet, ITRANS is a simply a convention 
established by modern humans so that there's no ambiguity between the writer 
and reader on what akshara is meant, nothing more. Though there may be 
merits/demerits to that convention, we are not here to discuss the rationale 
behind a convention. As long as people understand what letter is meant, we're 
fine. Let's leave it at that.

Third, regarding the ambiguity around hal, I have consulted a scholar in Sri 
Sankaracharya viSvavidyalaya in Sringeri, Sri devanatha mahodaya (Cc'ed). It 
seems, the maaheSvara sUtrANi are also called pratyAhAra sUtrANi (i.e., 
abbreviational aphorisms) and were designed/modified by pANini for ease of 
exposition in the rest of his treatise, aShTaadhyAyii. He arranged the varNa 
maala for convenience of use in his sUtras in aShTaadhyAyii. (Please don't 
start a religious debate here about who's the original author of maaheSvara 
sUtrANi. That's not pertinent here). In that sense, hal is an abbreviation for 
the entire set of consonants. halanta is any word that ends in a consonant and 
not a vowel - as simple as that.

The repetition of 'ha' in two sUtras was intentional. He needed two pratyAhAras 
- haT (ha ya va ra) and val (va ra ..... ha) for exposition of some sUtras and 
hence the last sUtra 'hal' was added to adhere to the abbreviational 
convention. In my next mail, I will write a small blurb about what to expect 
from aShTaadhyAyii. 

Regarding whether aN.h refers to 'a i u' or 'a i u R^i L^i e ai o au ha ya va 
ra la', pANini has used the former definition of aN.h everywhere except in one 
sUtra, namely, 
aNuditsavarNasyachApratyayaH, where the latter definition is meant. We'll 
discuss it when we get there.

I appreciate the keen insights and piercing questions. It shows people's 
enthusiasm for Sanskrit grammar. Raise the questions for the record, but don't 
answer them deeply yet. Let us not jump ahead of ourselves and get into 
detailed discussions regarding nuances at this stage of lessons. Although from 
a scientific perspective,
precision is important, a little laxity in our study is good initially;
otherwise we'll be lost in the forest as soon as we enter it.
- Sai.

On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 4:27 AM, Avinash Sathaye <> wrote:

I did not want to send a message to everyone, but please correct the
following sUtras.
Each syllable in pANinI is crucial(:-))

2) R^i lR^ k.h

2) R^i L^i k.h

3) e o n.h
3) e o ~N.h

5)  ha ya va ra t.h

5)  ha ya va ra T.h

7) ~na ma ~Na Na na m.h
7) ~na ma ~na Na na m.h

13) sha sa sa r.h
13) sha Sa sa r.h
it should be sha Sha sa r.h
- Sai 

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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 08:54:31 -0500
From: "Pankaj Gupta" <>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] [Novice] Request for translations etc.
To: "'Sanskrit Mailing List'" <>
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Dear Sir
Thank you so much. I pay my respects to you for offering help. It will be
beneficial to hundreds of members of this mailing list. 
There is this text on  <>
(one of my favorite places to read small Sanskrit texts/sections). This is
Prahlada's Stuti to Lord Narayan (from Bhagwatam I believe):
If you could give it's meaning, I would be really obligated. 
(I am also changing the tag to [L2]).
Thank so much, and Kind Regards,


From: thirunarayanan thirunarayanan [] 
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 6:17 AM
To: Pankaj Gupta
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] [Novice] Request for translations etc.

sire, u r welcom. I am a sanskrit professor. please specify any small text
in sanskrit unlike mahabharata, i shall be happy to post the translation
word by word into english so as to enable all to learn sanskrit easier by

R.Thirunarayanan, sirrangam India 

--- On Mon, 8/6/09, Pankaj Gupta <> wrote:

From: Pankaj Gupta <>
Subject: [Sanskrit] [Novice] Request for translations etc.
To: "'Sanskrit Mailing List'" <>
Date: Monday, 8 June, 2009, 7:28 PM


I want to request every one who has basic familiarity with Sanskrit, or
familiarity with some sanskrit texts - to share and write translations of
any kinds of Sanskrit texts. There are not too many translations available
on the net, many of the available translations omit original Sanskrit, and
many are written with the intent to simply convey the meaning of the text,
instead of as an aid to learning Sanskrit. 

It would be great if people who know sanskrit, help other people like myself
learn and spread Sanskrit. I have found it a daunting task to learn
Sanskrit. Nevertheless, over the years I have gained some familiarity and am
able to decipher and understand simpler texts - not all of it but some
portions, like a few lines from Mahabharat would be clear, and then the next
few lines would be totally above me and so on. 

I belong to the school of 'learn by example'. Grammer etc. is not really for
me. However, I have found Sandhi rules etc. to be very helpful. 

But really, if we could have translations of diverse Sanskrit texts, maybe
giving word meanings or just plain explaination of what's going on - it
would be great. Mahabharat, for example, proves a huge amount of text, with
context familiarity to a lot of people here. I reqest knowledgeable members
to provide learning to others. It is a great way to spread the knowledge of

Thanks and my regards to all.

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