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Re: Monier-Williams dictionary in PDF available now fordownload + Blog Invite (Ambujam Raman) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:26:00 +0530 From: hn bhat <hnbha...@gmail.com> Subject: [Sanskrit] ??????????? ??????? To: sanskrit-requ...@cs.utah.edu Cc: sanskrit@cs.utah.edu Message-ID: <b1ef99310910132256w7ef35240gd04f333630277...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 1. Can someone give the full verses with swaras of the highlighted portion in the following story? 2. What is bahuvreehi compund & tathpurusha compound?" "Then Visvaroopa performed a sacrifice and gave the offerings to the devas calling them by names but he also offered it secretly to the asuras who were his uncles. Indra came to know this and severed the three heads Visravas had. Thvashta angered by this did a homa to create a son who would kill Indra with the manthra *indhraSSathro vivrDhasva,maa chiram jahi vidhvisham, "*oh enemy of Indra grow and kill the enemy soon." But due to his agitation he pronounced the manthra with a wrong accent. Giving the accent on the letter *dhra* in *Indhra* it became a bahuvreehi compound meaning *indhraH* *SathruH* *yasya*, the one to whom Indra is the enemy instead of giving the accent on *thruH* of the word *sathruh*, which would have been a thathpurusha compound meaning *Indhrasya* *SathruH*, the enemy of Indhra." The above story seems to be from Bhagavatha Purana and the same story appears in Vishnu Bhagavatha and Devi Bhagavatha also. Here is the story found in Shatapatha Brahmana, 1.6.3.[9] sa yadvartam?na? samabhavat | tasm?dv?tro 'tha yadap?tsamabhavattasm?dahista ? danu?ca dan?y??ca m?teva ca piteva ca parijag?hatustasm?dd?nava ity?hu? 1.6.3.[10] atha yadabrav?d indra?atrurvardhasveti | tasm?du hainamindra eva jagh?n?tha yaddha ?a?vadavak?yad indrasya ?atrurvardhasveti ?a?vadu ha sa evendramahani?yat The Bhagavata version, and the other versions emphasis on the change of accent on the compound making it a bahuvrithi instead of TatpuruSha compound. If he had used non compound form, Indra himself would have killed by him since there is no confusion in the form. Only in the compound indra?atru there is the possibility to change the compund according to the accent. There are mantra-s in the Samhitaa text and brahmana-s which have fixed accents. Now there are several mantra-s which should be recited by conventionally to suit the context. In a homa, agnaye svaahaa is the general mantra offering oblation to Fire. But when the oblation is intended, the mantra is to be inferred changing the word and inflexion in the mantra .This type of mantra is called ???????? and in this case, it is Abhicara or sorcery sacrifice conducted by ???????. and in the ?? he has infer the correct accent suitable for the intended word according to the general system of accentuation. Hence there is no specific mantra, in which this mantra can be found. The intended sense is as given above can be derived when the word ????? in the compound is taken in the derived sense ??????? or the slayer. Otherwise, whether Indra is the enemy of Vritra or Vritra is the enemy of Indra, both will have the same connotation. Now, in the derivative meaning of the word, as given in the text of Shatapatha cited, he could have either used spit words also. This version of the story stresses on the importance of correct accents used in the chanting of Vedic hymns, as propounded by the Grammarians. ??????? ???? ?????? ?????? ?? ??????????????? ? ????????? ? ????????? ?????? ??????? ?????????????? ?????? ????????? ????????????? ??? The Mahabhashya of Patanjali quotes the above verse f ?????? ????? ... ... ofr the first two words, to show emphasis on the wrong usage of the words will yield adverse effect in general in language. In this version, ?????? ??????? has to be taken in the sense would adversely affect the user of the word, being a thunderbolt like the word Indrashatru and in the episode compared, it need not be taken literally, as the yajamaana is TvaSTr and not Vrtra. Now, for the question what is bahuvriti and tatpurusha compound, it seeems to be complicated to explain in detail. In short, in tatpurusha compound, the second word would be emphasized as the total meaning of the compound (generally two words) and in bahuvriti, more than one words would be compunded, so as to give a picture of some other object having these words compounded as its part or qualities. When there are only two words compounded for bahuvrihi, it would be confusing with tatpurusha, unless the context makes it clear. There are several other distinct features for both. In the quoted portion of the story, above highlighted, the mantra is conjectured in the vocative, but the change in svara would necessarily make the change in the compound indrashatro and the whole mantra has a changed sentence. vivrDhasva also does not follow the normal conjugation. I think now it should be clear that a Uhamantra doesn't have any fixed form, but the emphasis is on strictly following the vedic accentuation system in the story. Indra is popular as VR^traahan because of this killing; ??????? ????? ????????????? ???????? ????? ?????? ??????? ? ?????? ????? ???? ??????? ???? ????? ?? ????????? ???? 1.3.3.0.152 in Mahabharata. In Rgveda, itself, Indra is depicted as the slayer of ??????? as ?????????? ????? ??????? ?????? etc. The slaying of Vritra, other wise known as a dragon, Ahi, or Danu, is differently described many in the Suktas praising Indra's heroic deeds. beginning with ????????? ?? ???????? ??????? ???? ???? ???????? ???????? ?????? ???????? .......Rgveda I.32 It seems the first feat of Indra. -- Hari Narayana Bhat B.R. EFEO, PONDICHERRY -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.cs.utah.edu/pipermail/sanskrit/attachments/20091014/c38c2991/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:33:29 +0530 From: hn bhat <hnbha...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] sanskrit Digest, Vol 54, Issue 10 "Indrashatro vivRiddhasva" To: sanskrit@cs.utah.edu Message-ID: <b1ef99310910132303u26376a0dpca0c86fc015aa...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 1. Can someone give the full verses with swaras of the highlighted portion in the following story? 2. What is bahuvreehi compund & tathpurusha compound?" "Then Visvaroopa performed a sacrifice and gave the offerings to the devas calling them by names but he also offered it secretly to the asuras who were his uncles. Indra came to know this and severed the three heads Visravas had. Thvashta angered by this did a homa to create a son who would kill Indra with the manthra *indhraSSathro vivrDhasva,maa chiram jahi vidhvisham, "*oh enemy of Indra grow and kill the enemy soon." But due to his agitation he pronounced the manthra with a wrong accent. Giving the accent on the letter *dhra* in *Indhra* it became a bahuvreehi compound meaning *indhraH* *SathruH* *yasya*, the one to whom Indra is the enemy instead of giving the accent on *thruH* of the word *sathruh*, which would have been a thathpurusha compound meaning *Indhrasya* *SathruH*, the enemy of Indhra." The above story seems to be from Bhagavatha Purana and the same story appears in Vishnu Bhagavatha and Devi Bhagavatha also. Here is the story found in Shatapatha Brahmana, 1.6.3.[9] sa yadvartam?na? samabhavat | tasm?dv?tro 'tha yadap?tsamabhavattasm?dahista ? danu?ca dan?y??ca m?teva ca piteva ca parijag?hatustasm?dd?nava ity?hu? 1.6.3.[10] atha yadabrav?d indra?atrurvardhasveti | tasm?du hainamindra eva jagh?n?tha yaddha ?a?vadavak?yad indrasya ?atrurvardhasveti ?a?vadu ha sa evendramahani?yat The Bhagavata version, and the other versions emphasis on the change of accent on the compound making it a bahuvrithi instead of TatpuruSha compound. If he had used non compound form, Indra himself would have killed by him since there is no confusion in the form. Only in the compound indra?atru there is the possibility to change the compund according to the accent. There are mantra-s in the Samhitaa text and brahmana-s which have fixed accents. Now there are several mantra-s which should be recited by conventionally to suit the context. In a homa, agnaye svaahaa is the general mantra offering oblation to Fire. But when the oblation is intended, the mantra is to be inferred changing the word and inflexion in the mantra .This type of mantra is called ???????? and in this case, it is Abhicara or sorcery sacrifice conducted by ???????. and in the ?? he has infer the correct accent suitable for the intended word according to the general system of accentuation. Hence there is no specific mantra, in which this mantra can be found. The intended sense is as given above can be derived when the word ????? in the compound is taken in the derived sense ??????? or the slayer. Otherwise, whether Indra is the enemy of Vritra or Vritra is the enemy of Indra, both will have the same connotation. Now, in the derivative meaning of the word, as given in the text of Shatapatha cited, he could have either used spit words also. This version of the story stresses on the importance of correct accents used in the chanting of Vedic hymns, as propounded by the Grammarians. ??????? ???? ?????? ?????? ?? ??????????????? ? ????????? ? ????????? ?????? ??????? ?????????????? ?????? ????????? ????????????? ??? The Mahabhashya of Patanjali quotes the above verse f ?????? ????? ... ... ofr the first two words, to show emphasis on the wrong usage of the words will yield adverse effect in general in language. In this version, ?????? ??????? has to be taken in the sense would adversely affect the user of the word, being a thunderbolt like the word Indrashatru and in the episode compared, it need not be taken literally, as the yajamaana is TvaSTr and not Vrtra. Now, for the question what is bahuvriti and tatpurusha compound, it seeems to be complicated to explain in detail. In short, in tatpurusha compound, the second word would be emphasized as the total meaning of the compound (generally two words) and in bahuvriti, more than one words would be compunded, so as to give a picture of some other object having these words compounded as its part or qualities. When there are only two words compounded for bahuvrihi, it would be confusing with tatpurusha, unless the context makes it clear. There are several other distinct features for both. In the quoted portion of the story, above highlighted, the mantra is conjectured in the vocative, but the change in svara would necessarily make the change in the compound indrashatro and the whole mantra has a changed sentence. vivrDhasva also does not follow the normal conjugation. I think now it should be clear that a Uhamantra doesn't have any fixed form, but the emphasis is on strictly following the vedic accentuation system in the story. Indra is popular as VR^traahan because of this killing; ??????? ????? ????????????? ???????? ????? ?????? ??????? ? ?????? ????? ???? ??????? ???? ????? ?? ????????? ???? 1.3.3.0.152 in Mahabharata. In Rgveda, itself, Indra is depicted as the slayer of ??????? as ?????????? ????? ??????? ?????? etc. The slaying of Vritra, other wise known as a dragon, Ahi, or Danu, is differently described many in the Suktas praising Indra's heroic deeds. beginning with ????????? ?? ???????? ??????? ???? ???? ???????? ???????? ?????? ???????? .......Rgveda I.32 It seems the first feat of Indra. -- Hari Narayana Bhat B.R. EFEO, PONDICHERRY -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mailman.cs.utah.edu/pipermail/sanskrit/attachments/20091014/d5aed564/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:22:58 +0530 From: hn bhat <hnbha...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] sanskrit Digest, Vol 54, Issue 11 To: sanskrit@cs.utah.edu Message-ID: <b1ef99310910132352u5e863816o15e064d0d6cb2...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I remember to have learnt that the vibhaktipratyayas may elide after SabdAnukaraNa of a word or group of words. I do not remember the authentication for the same and if I my memory is incorrect please correct me. No vibhaktipratyayas are seen in the word apraSAn in pANinisUtra "naSchavyapraSAn" (8.3.007). Would you please explain the same ? Panini uses many such devices in his metalanguage in his archaic usage. In the specific Sutra, aprashaan is used with the nominative, but in the sense of genitive . But this doesn't entail any deviation from the rule can be entertained in the common language."Prakritivadanukaranam" Paribhasha is nothing but an extension of the functions prescribed for the original Root KRi in its declension of the root in all the vibhakti-s. This cannot be taken as universal or Sarvatrikam as it is "Jnapakasiddha" ???????????? ? ???????". But in my opinion, for the a great scholar in grammar, who finds fault with the change of *aatmanepada* as a grave mistake, this does not apply anyhow. unless he himself is Panini in the Sutra context. The above Paribhasha was made use of to extend the function prescribed for the root, when it was a verb. "??? ????????" and the others. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.cs.utah.edu/pipermail/sanskrit/attachments/20091014/e4f47d49/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:54:14 -0400 From: Lyrical Tyagaraja Blog <lyricaltyagarajab...@gmail.com> Subject: [Sanskrit] FULL Monier-Williams dict. in PDF available- // Anyone know who owns sanskritdocuments.org? To: sanskrit@cs.utah.edu, sanskrit-ow...@cs.utah.edu Message-ID: <5f8d4b050910140754v14ca5146n7e1f6318e7875...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mr. Joshi... happy to oblige. Here are the links to the four volumes 230 MB each, of the Cologne scans: Volume 1: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=L1ANL0RR Volume 2: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=KQKQOONF Volume 3: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=AXJWQ751 Volume 4: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=849DMELO And here again are the older links to the sripedia scans.. Vol 1: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=6ES97IK4Vol 2: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=TFHH8492Abbr and References: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=HB93SOGCComplete: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=5DF75DJ0ReadMe.txt http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4BJKK6AP Secondly: I sent email on the PDF links to sansk...@cheerful.com days ago. No response... I don't have a megaupload paid account, and I no longer maintain servers or domains of my own. Megaupload deletes files after 3 months. So, I just want to make sure these pdfs are housed somewhere before they get deleted. Was hoping the sanskritdocuments.org folks would archive it in their repository... anyone else up for it ... please do so... Or, if anyone has a more direct email/contact info for the owners, please send me a private email- I will much appreciate it. I am sure there must be at least a few people who will find the pdfs helpful... Thanks to all. LTB. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.cs.utah.edu/pipermail/sanskrit/attachments/20091014/4ba0f2da/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:57:24 -0400 From: Lyrical Tyagaraja Blog <lyricaltyagarajab...@gmail.com> Subject: [Sanskrit] Lyrical Tyagaraja Blog //retitled// & sorry for the aside To: sanskrit@cs.utah.edu Message-ID: <5f8d4b050910140757l6a390970sf63d4c8587436...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks to all of you for the kind words about our blog! Please do sign up to follow our blog. (But please follow publicly, not privately..so we can keep track; 'number of followers' I think impacts your coming up in search engines too, so that the blog could be useful to anyone wanting such info or treatment.) More than anything, we want and welcome feedback. We can act on it and make changes only when in the early days. If we manage to put much content up, it will be too late... Once again the URL is: http://lyrical-thyagaraja.blogspot.com/ Thanks to all. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.cs.utah.edu/pipermail/sanskrit/attachments/20091014/c59474d3/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:09:59 -0700 From: Ajit Krishnan <ajit.krish...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] FULL Monier-Williams dict. in PDF available- // Anyone know who owns sanskritdocuments.org? To: Sanskrit Mailing List <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu> Message-ID: <b80eb20f0910140809r46c8411bra21ab4d10d05a...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 namaste, > I sent email on the PDF links?to sansk...@cheerful.com days ago. No > response... I don't have a megaupload paid?account,?and I no longer maintain > servers or domains?of my own. I happen to know one of these volunteers. I also happen to know that they are considering your request. Webspace and bandwidth are not free, and many people want many things hosted on the sanskritdocuments site. If there were enough donors, and enough qualified volunteers who regularly volunteered their time, many things can be accomplished. But, that is not the case, and every request must be considered. Resources are limited. I am sure that the volunteers will get back to you shortly. bhavadiiyaH, ajit ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:51:22 -0400 From: Lyrical Tyagaraja Blog <lyricaltyagarajab...@gmail.com> Subject: [Sanskrit] FULL Monier-Williams dict. in PDF available- // Anyone know who owns sanskritdocuments.org? To: sanskrit@cs.utah.edu Message-ID: <5f8d4b050910140851g2498e699i1101d4c6b302c...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well, Ajit, that is an off-putting response at many levels. Mine is not a "request" and I don't have my hat out. They can find the MW pdfs useful or not useful. They can host it or not host it. It is no credit to me if they host it; I didn't write the dictionary. I got my copy I can use, and I am busy with my stuff and my own daily traumas. It is up to them to choose to provide a service, or not to so choose. Based on their prioritization. I won't insist or impose upon them and I don't know their constraints. I only think having a pdf might be very useful to those who need it and there have been no pdfs on the web so far. So, rather than keep it with me alone, I uploaded it. Given the size (400 MB for one version, 750 MB for the other version) I have contacted other sources already for hosting it, including a couple of academic sources who have complications like copyrights. If someone manages to host, fine; otherwise.. it is too bad, but not the end of the world, nor my loss. My concern was whether sansk...@cheerful.com was a working email address that was being read regularly, because many things on the website are not up-to-date. I just grepped my old varsity email and recalled getting an email from this id 6-7 years ago; it had taken two months for them to respond. May be they have a surfeit of emails, or may be they are busy with work and life..can't blame them for either.. but if they had read my email, they could have sent an ACK first.. then taken due time to post/not post.. then I wouldn't have asked here. If I were still well and able to maintain any servers or domains up, I would host it myself and just send the links to people who run repository sites. Lastly I think you could have emailed me than the group and spared them of this negativism. Note that I am reacting only to what you said, and not to those volunteers, who are not writing to this thread. But please do send them the URLs for the Cologne scans too. *All others:* This is not going to be flame war of any kind; I am very sorry to be sending so negative an email to the whole list- but my point is simply that volunteering in any aspect of life, must always be done with the right spirit, and not be considered a badge of honor to drum over others or kvetch-- I am sure many of you would agree with me in spirit- please let's serve- wherever and however we can,- but spare others the pomp and the palisade. Respectfully and regretfully. LTB. > I happen to know one of these volunteers. I also happen to know that they are considering your request. Webspace and bandwidth are not free, and many people want many things hosted on the sanskritdocuments site. If there were enough donors, and enough qualified volunteers who regularly volunteered their time, many things can be accomplished. But, that is not the case, and every request must be considered. Resources are limited. I am sure that the volunteers will get back to you shortly. bhavadiiyaH, ajit -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.cs.utah.edu/pipermail/sanskrit/attachments/20091014/cd827d46/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 03:01:38 +0530 From: "Guru deva dasi" <gurudevad...@gmail.com> Subject: [Sanskrit] Aksharas To: <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu> Message-ID: <002a01ca4d15$c1df76a0$459e63...@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hari Om to the respected Members. Please forgive me for the basic question: How many aksharas are there in Sanskrit? Are ? ??? and ??? are considered? Thank you. Gurudeva Dasi. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.cs.utah.edu/pipermail/sanskrit/attachments/20091015/2c1a97dc/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:11:22 +0530 (IST) From: Gargeshwari Ajit <ajitga_...@yahoo.co.in> Subject: [Sanskrit] Monier-Williams dictionary in PDF available now for download + Blog Invite To: Sanskrit Mailing List <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu> Message-ID: <91776.61506...@web7601.mail.in.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" dear As I have said in one of my previous mails the dictionary is already scanned and is? available at http://www.archive.org/index.php. The effort is great indeed but why duplicate what has already been done --- On Tue, 13/10/09, Lyrical Tyagaraja Blog <lyricaltyagarajab...@gmail.com> wrote: From: Lyrical Tyagaraja Blog <lyricaltyagarajab...@gmail.com> Subject: [Sanskrit] Monier-Williams dictionary in PDF available now for download + Blog Invite To: sanskrit@cs.utah.edu Date: Tuesday, 13 October, 2009, 10:53 PM Hello. A usable pdf version of Monier-Williams' dictionary has been sorely missing from the web for years. I created this from the scans on the Sripedia page. It is in two parts of 105 MB each. This, I have found, is a size that most computers with at least 500 MB of RAM can easily handle. The whole dictionary is 210 MB. Also posted is the list of abbreviations. Here are the links: Vol 1:??? http://www.megaupload.com/?d=6ES97IK4?? Vol 2:??? http://www.megaupload.com/?d=TFHH8492?? Abbr and References:???? http://www.megaupload.com/?d=HB93SOGC?? Complete:??? http://www.megaupload.com/?d=5DF75DJ0 ReadMe.txt??? http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4BJKK6AP Feel free to post them on your websites such as sanskritdocuments.org, so that others may use them. That is why I uploaded them in the first place! Feel free to download and move them to your servers if you like, because megaupload may delete it after 3 months if there are no downloads. In my research and writing, when the MW program is not enough,?I actually prefer using the pdf version I made from the Cologne scans, as it is a better scan. But, it is four volumes of 230 MB each, and the whole is too big to use. If any one thinks someone "could" use these better but larger volumes please let me know, and I can upload them. Being functionally disabled, due to various things like cancer and muscle disease, I cannot use the paper copy easily and depend completely on my electronic copies. I suppose even otherwise, people may prefer electronic copies these days. Please also visit and join our new and unique blog on Tyagaraja songs, giving each song in simple English poetry, capturing the rhyme and flow of the original better than prose. http://lyrical-thyagaraja.blogspot.com/ Do pass this info to any friends or email lists that might be interested. A blogger-style invite is in the postscript. Apart from giving verse translations; I also gently explain various related concepts of history, philosophy, literature and religion, in place, such as the difference between Siva, Sadasiva and Brahman, the concept of svatantra, the Hindu?time scale?etc, as well as connect with western art, music, history and poetry. Thx. In His Service, Prabhu. P.S. Join and follow our new blog on poetical translations of Tyagaraja and other 'kritis' (songs), started this Vijaya Dasami day. We are also providing authentic lyrics, commentary and critical literary content on each kriti, correcting some common errors in the popular books and websites. The poetic renditions aim to convey the imagery, flow and beauty of the original lyrics much better than prose. We include historical and cultural details, but no more than necessary. A key feature is that we presume no knowledge of Indian culture and gently introduce it as we go along and evoke familiar themes like "Joy to the world", "Ode to Joy", "O come all ye faithful", "The Solitary Reaper", Shakespeare and "La belle dame sans merci", so that anyone from anywhere in the world, with an interest in Carnatic music, may find Tyagaraja accessible.? Apart from giving verse translations, for the more informed, we explain various related concepts of history, philosophy, literature and religion, in place, such as the difference between Siva, Sadasiva and Brahman, 'shan matani' etc., but only as much as necessary. http://lyrical-thyagaraja.blogspot.com/ Our site is completely color-coded and cross-linked; so it is very easy to read and follow. Our verses are written in simple English verse and meter, while retaining the structure and beauty of the original.? We maintain line and word order, so that a word-for-word translation is already available in the verses! We also often provide interesting cultural and historical commentary on both the lyrics and the English verses. We think it is a unique attempt. We just started, and expect to cover all 600 kritis in a few months. As our content grows, we plan to move to a dedicated website. We also include selected kritis from other composers. [But please, if you do sign up to follow, sign up to follow publicly, but keep your profile details private. If you follow privately/anonymously, we can't keep track. Just keeping your profile private, will itself avoid spam.] Feel free to pass info on this site and invite any of your friends that might be interested to sign up and "follow" the blog. Your feedback at this early stage is most necessary and twice welcome. 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URL: http://mailman.cs.utah.edu/pipermail/sanskrit/attachments/20091015/c82d789c/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:14:54 -0400 From: "Ambujam Raman" <ambujamra...@rogers.com> Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Monier-Williams dictionary in PDF available now fordownload + Blog Invite To: "Sanskrit Mailing List" <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu> Message-ID: <58d74b1a324e4164a4462af02695d...@ambujam> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Yes The original MW Dictionary in PDF form can be d/led from http://ia350641.us.archive.org/0/items/1872sanskriten00moniuoft/1872sanskriten00moniuoft.pdf This supports direct word search of english words from the Acrobat Reader whereas the new version u/led does not. Dr. S. Raman ----- Original Message ----- From: Gargeshwari Ajit To: Sanskrit Mailing List Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:41 AM Subject: [Sanskrit] Monier-Williams dictionary in PDF available now fordownload + Blog Invite dear As I have said in one of my previous mails the dictionary is already scanned and is available at http://www.archive.org/index.php. The effort is great indeed but why duplicate what has already been done --- On Tue, 13/10/09, Lyrical Tyagaraja Blog <lyricaltyagarajab...@gmail.com> wrote: From: Lyrical Tyagaraja Blog <lyricaltyagarajab...@gmail.com> Subject: [Sanskrit] Monier-Williams dictionary in PDF available now for download + Blog Invite To: sanskrit@cs.utah.edu Date: Tuesday, 13 October, 2009, 10:53 PM Hello. A usable pdf version of Monier-Williams' dictionary has been sorely missing from the web for years. I created this from the scans on the Sripedia page. It is in two parts of 105 MB each. This, I have found, is a size that most computers with at least 500 MB of RAM can easily handle. The whole dictionary is 210 MB. Also posted is the list of abbreviations. Here are the links: Vol 1: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=6ES97IK4 Vol 2: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=TFHH8492 Abbr and References: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=HB93SOGC Complete: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=5DF75DJ0 ReadMe.txt http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4BJKK6AP Feel free to post them on your websites such as sanskritdocuments.org, so that others may use them. That is why I uploaded them in the first place! Feel free to download and move them to your servers if you like, because megaupload may delete it after 3 months if there are no downloads. In my research and writing, when the MW program is not enough, I actually prefer using the pdf version I made from the Cologne scans, as it is a better scan. But, it is four volumes of 230 MB each, and the whole is too big to use. If any one thinks someone "could" use these better but larger volumes please let me know, and I can upload them. Being functionally disabled, due to various things like cancer and muscle disease, I cannot use the paper copy easily and depend completely on my electronic copies. I suppose even otherwise, people may prefer electronic copies these days. Please also visit and join our new and unique blog on Tyagaraja songs, giving each song in simple English poetry, capturing the rhyme and flow of the original better than prose. http://lyrical-thyagaraja.blogspot.com/ Do pass this info to any friends or email lists that might be interested. A blogger-style invite is in the postscript. Apart from giving verse translations; I also gently explain various related concepts of history, philosophy, literature and religion, in place, such as the difference between Siva, Sadasiva and Brahman, the concept of svatantra, the Hindu time scale etc, as well as connect with western art, music, history and poetry. Thx. In His Service, Prabhu. P.S. Join and follow our new blog on poetical translations of Tyagaraja and other 'kritis' (songs), started this Vijaya Dasami day. We are also providing authentic lyrics, commentary and critical literary content on each kriti, correcting some common errors in the popular books and websites. The poetic renditions aim to convey the imagery, flow and beauty of the original lyrics much better than prose. We include historical and cultural details, but no more than necessary. A key feature is that we presume no knowledge of Indian culture and gently introduce it as we go along and evoke familiar themes like "Joy to the world", "Ode to Joy", "O come all ye faithful", "The Solitary Reaper", Shakespeare and "La belle dame sans merci", so that anyone from anywhere in the world, with an interest in Carnatic music, may find Tyagaraja accessible. Apart from giving verse translations, for the more informed, we explain various related concepts of history, philosophy, literature and religion, in place, such as the difference between Siva, Sadasiva and Brahman, 'shan matani' etc., but only as much as necessary. http://lyrical-thyagaraja.blogspot.com/ Our site is completely color-coded and cross-linked; so it is very easy to read and follow. Our verses are written in simple English verse and meter, while retaining the structure and beauty of the original. We maintain line and word order, so that a word-for-word translation is already available in the verses! We also often provide interesting cultural and historical commentary on both the lyrics and the English verses. We think it is a unique attempt. We just started, and expect to cover all 600 kritis in a few months. As our content grows, we plan to move to a dedicated website. We also include selected kritis from other composers. [But please, if you do sign up to follow, sign up to follow publicly, but keep your profile details private. If you follow privately/anonymously, we can't keep track. Just keeping your profile private, will itself avoid spam.] Feel free to pass info on this site and invite any of your friends that might be interested to sign up and "follow" the blog. Your feedback at this early stage is most necessary and twice welcome. 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