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1. pop3 account? (Vasu Srinivasan)
2. Dress and personality (P.K.Ramakrishnan)
3. Re: Dress and personality (Shreyas P. Munshi)
4. Missing lines. (P.K.Ramakrishnan)
5. Re: Missing lines. (Balaji)
6. Re: Missing lines. (Bhaskar Joshi)
7. Touchstone of Golden strings of Friendship (hn bhat)
8. Another beautiful imagination (hn bhat)
9. Re: ?????? ??????? ?????????? (thirunarayanan thirunarayanan)
10. missing lines (P.K.Ramakrishnan)
11. [l2] vyAkaraNa vaibhavaM - part 5 (Sai Susarla)
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:10:07 -0600
From: Vasu Srinivasan <vasy...@gmail.com>
Subject: [Sanskrit] pop3 account?
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Does this mailing list have a pop3 account, so that I can use an email
client. I tried searching for this info but could not find one. Any help is
appreciated.
--
dhanyavAda:,
Vasu Srinivasan
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 10:30:26 +0530 (IST)
From: "P.K.Ramakrishnan" <peeka...@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Sanskrit] Dress and personality
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??? ????? ???? ?????????
???? ??????? ??? ?????????:
/
????????? ??????? ??? ?????????
????????? ??????? ???? ??????? //
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Date: 13 Nov 2009 05:15:18 -0000
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Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Dress and personality
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Ya, they say 'Dress is all'!...Shreyas
On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 10:27:58 +0530 wrote
>
??? ????? ???? ?????????
???? ??????? ??? ?????????:
/
????????? ??????? ??? ?????????
????????? ??????? ???? ??????? //
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:37:26 +0530 (IST)
From: "P.K.Ramakrishnan" <peeka...@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Sanskrit] Missing lines.
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??????????: ???????? ? ???????
????????: ???????? ? ????? /
I do not know the other two lines.
Can anyone provide those?
Thanks.
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 11:31:28 -0000
From: "Balaji" <bal...@balaji27.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Missing lines.
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Dear Peekay,
This is what I found on the net similar to what you have quoted:
"Na bhujyathe vyakaranam kshudhadurai:
Pipasithai: kavya raso na piyathe
Vidyaya kena chid-udhritam kulam
Hiranyameva aarjaya, nishphalaa kala"
(He who is hungry cannot eat the book of grammar
He who is thirsty does not drink the essense of poetry
No family has been revived just because of learning
Earn wealth, for knowledge [by itself] is useless)
Regards
Balaji
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Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 11:07 AM
Subject: [Sanskrit] Missing lines.
??????????: ???????? ? ???????
????????: ???????? ? ????? /
I do not know the other two lines.
Can anyone provide those?
Thanks.
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:19:09 +0530
From: Bhaskar Joshi <bjo...@pobox.com>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Missing lines.
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a similar ??????? is as under:
*????????? ?????? ? ??: ?????: ? ?????: ????????? ??????: ?
? ?? ????? ? ? ???????: ????? ????: ???????????????? ?
the one who is wealhy is cultured, he is learned, famous, virtuous
he only is an orator and handsome; all virtues are subordinates of gold
(wealth).
AUM
*
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 5:01 PM, Balaji <bal...@balaji27.freeserve.co.uk>wrote:
> Dear Peekay,
>
> This is what I found on the net similar to what you have quoted:
>
>
> *"Na bhujyathe vyakaranam kshudhadurai:*
>
> *Pipasithai: kavya raso na piyathe*
>
> *Vidyaya kena chid-udhritam kulam*
>
> *Hiranyameva aarjaya, nishphalaa kala" *
>
>
>
> (He who is hungry cannot eat the book of grammar
>
> He who is thirsty does not drink the essense of poetry
>
> No family has been revived just because of learning
>
> Earn wealth, for knowledge [by itself] is useless)
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Balaji
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* P.K.Ramakrishnan <peeka...@yahoo.com>
> *To:* sanskrit digest <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu>
> *Sent:* Friday, November 13, 2009 11:07 AM
> *Subject:* [Sanskrit] Missing lines.
>
> ??????????: ???????? ? ???????
> ????????: ???????? ? ????? /
>
> I do not know the other two lines.
> Can anyone provide those?
>
> Thanks.
>
> -----------------------------------
> P.K. Ramakrishnan
> http://peekayar.blogspot.com
>
>
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 10:52:13 +0530
From: hn bhat <hnbha...@gmail.com>
Subject: [Sanskrit] Touchstone of Golden strings of Friendship
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Here is a touchstone prescribed for examining the genuineness of Friendship:
??????????????????????????????????????
?????????? ?????????? ????????????????
The golden lines of friends possessing different types, have got a touch
stone called "paroksha" (behind your presence).
It the golden lines of friendship of different types shine in your absence
also, they are genuine. the idea suggested is that your friends show respect
or friendship towards you only with a view to get any advantage from you.
But behind your hack, they may blame you directly or indirectly. If they
keep the same respect or feeling of friendship in your absence also, they
could be considered as genuine friends.
--
Hari Narayana Bhat B.R.
EFEO,
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 11:29:28 +0530
From: hn bhat <hnbha...@gmail.com>
Subject: [Sanskrit] Another beautiful imagination
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Another beautiful picture:
?????? ????????? ??????????? ???????? ??????
???????????? ??????????????????????????????????????
?????????? ????????????? ?????? ??????????????? ??????
???????????????????????????????????????? ??????
O king Ballala, the girl of hunter tribe roaming in the city of your enemies
(who fled away to the forest to hide away from you) collected the gems
scattered (in the streets) mistaking them for the burning charcoal of
khadira wood and piles the sandal wood on them. Blowing air into it with her
mouth closing her eyes (to kindle the fire), creates the illusion of smoke
rising by the bees attracted by the fragrance of ther expirated air.
The above is a beautiful picture of a ignorant tribal girl who has never
seen the gems. The context described presents us the picture of the valour
of the King, fearing destruction from him, his enemies abandoning their
belongings in the city scattered, had fled away to the forest. A tribal girl
from the forest, happened to be in the vacated city and found the gems
scattered in the streets red coloured like the charcoals. Mistaking them for
the burning charcoals of Khadira tree (she used to make fire in the forest),
she heaped them and putting the sandal wood on them, bending her face to
kindle the fire, she blows aire with her mouth. The bees are attracted by
the fragrance of her exhaled respirated air surround the place and created
the illusion of smoke arising out of the fire (she is kindling).
Thus the picture is complete of kindling the fire from the charcoals putting
sandal wood giving rise to a cloud of smoke.
--
Hari Narayana Bhat B.R.
EFEO,
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:22:54 -0800 (PST)
From: thirunarayanan thirunarayanan <rthirunaraya...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] ?????? ??????? ??????????
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shrii h n bhat
very good verse pl send moreR.Thirunarayanan.Ph.D. in Sanskrit ID:
rthirunaraya...@gmail.com(0)9786377018 Srirangam India
--- On Wed, 4/11/09, hn bhat <hnbha...@gmail.com> wrote:
From: hn bhat <hnbha...@gmail.com>
Subject: [Sanskrit] ?????? ??????? ??????????
To: sanskrit@cs.utah.edu
Date: Wednesday, 4 November, 2009, 16:36
One more interesting Shloka a poetic imagination:
???????? ?????? ?????????? ????????? ??? ???????? ?????????????? ????????
?????? ???? ?? ??? ??????? ??????????
???????? ????? ???????????? ?????????????????????????????????? ??????? ??????
?????? ??????? ???????????
The Ocean --- Hay Kaalindi!?Narmada --- Tell me Sage Agastya, born in pot
(Kumbhodbhava)!The Ocean --- I am the ocean. Why do you call me by the name of
my enemy?Narmada --- I am Narmada. Why do you call me by the mae of my
co-sister? (sapatnI)
The Ocean ---Then why do you imitate blackness?Narmada --- It is due to the
collyrium (kajjala) of Malava women mixed with their tears.The Ocean --- What
happened to them?Narmada --- The King of Kuntala is angry (over the Malava-s).?
This is a beautiful dialogue imagined by a poet between the Samudraraja and his
lover Narmada in order to eulogize King of Kuntala.Ocean, the husband of all
the rivers as the decision taken up by King of Kuntala to ?march against the
Malava country.
To comprehend the import of the dialogue and the imagination conveyed by it, a
common back ground under the poetic conventions is necessary.
1. The ocean is considered as the husband of all the rivers as his wives. The
Narmada and Kalindi are the co-wives, of whom the first is white in colour and
the later is of black colour.
2. The husband Ocean confused due to the change of colour of Narmada, mistakes
her to be Kalindi due to the blackness of her colour. This gives rise to the
interesting dialogue.3. Narmada also angry at being called by the name of her
co-sister (who are co-wives envying each other and rivalling to earn the favour
of their husband), retorts by calling him as Kumbhodbhava, the sage Agastya,
who drank the ocean (according to the Purana-s) and is the enemy of the ocean.
Tit for tat. This reveals the real state of thing to the reader.
4. Now each other come to realize their mistakes. ?The state of things
reflected is that the King Kuntala is angry and decided to march against the
Malava-s.The effect is imagined by the poet that on his taking decision to
march against them, his enemies fled away to forests in the hills where Narmada
orinates ?with their family and their wives were shedding tears due to the
difficulties while passing through the forest regions which made the river and
the water of the Narmada is made black coloured by the corryllium mixed with
the tears flowing into the river. This is the real cause for the confusion of
the Ocean mistaking her for Kalindi who is naturally black and a love quarrel
between the husband and the wife is presented by the poet on account of this.
--
Hari Narayana Bhat B.R.
EFEO,
PONDICHERRY
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:34:22 +0530 (IST)
From: "P.K.Ramakrishnan" <peeka...@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Sanskrit] missing lines
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Taking the lines from Sri Balaji I am making the full sloka:
??????????: ???????? ? ???????
????????: ???????? ? ????? /
na vidyayaa kenachidudhritam kulam
hiraNyamevarjaya nishphalaa kalaa //
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:45:58 +0530
From: Sai Susarla <sai.susa...@gmail.com>
Subject: [Sanskrit] [l2] vyAkaraNa vaibhavaM - part 5
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sarvebhyo namaH !
Sorry about the long gap in the lessons as I got a bit busy. I will try to
keep the lessons going at a steady pace from now on.
In the last lesson, we showed how sanskrit alphabet has a nice logical
ordering of its letters based on 'aasya prayatnaM' i.e., utterance.
In this lesson, I will introduce a couple more sanskrit grammatical terms
and complete the first chapter
'saMj~naa prakaraNam' of LSK.
*aN-udit-savarNasya cha-apratyayaH
?????????????????????????*
*ityukte,
apratyayaH aN, udit cha tasya savarNasya saMj~naa syaat
????????? ??, udit ? ???? ???????? ?????? ??????
*The letter 'a', if used without a pratyaya i.e., suffix, is an abbreviation
for all the savarNa letters of 'a'.
Similarly with 'i', 'u'
Similarly with uditaH, which means ku, chu, Tu, tu and pu
For instance, 'a' stands for the 18 savarNas of 'a' i.e.,
{hrasva, dIrgha, pluta} x {udAtta, anudAtta, svarita} x {anunAsika,
ananunAsika} = 18 tulya-aasya prayatna forms of 'a'.
Similarly, 'i' ? and 'u' ? have 18 forms.
R^i (?) and L^i has 30 forms. (What are those? I don't know).
??? ???????????
ech (??) i.e., e, ai, o, au have 12 forms because they don't have the hrasva
form:
{dIrgha, pluta) x {udAtta, anudAtta, svarita} x {anunAsika, ananunAsika} =
12.
*paraH saMnikarShaH saMhitaa*
varNaanaaM atishayitaH sannidhiH samhitaa-saMj~naH syaat |
The term 'samhitaa' denotes the extreme proximity of two akSharas (without
anything else in between). For example,
ka = k + 'a'
*halo.anantaraaH saMyogaH *
ach-bhiH avyavahitaa halaH saMyoga-saMj~naaH syuH |
The appearance of two hal varNas (i.e., consonants) unintervened by an 'ach'
i.e., vowel is called saMyoga.
Such a consonant pair is called saMyuktaakSharaH
rakta = r + a + k + t + a
Here, 'ra' is a samhitaakShara,
'kt' is samyuktaakShara
Finally,
*sup-ti~NantaM padam
*subantaM ti~NantaM cha pada-saMj~naM syaat |
Sanskrit has a precise definition for what is a valid 'word' or padam.
a word that either ends in 'sup' pratyayaaH (suffixes) or 'ti~N' pratyayaaH
is called a padam and can stand by itself in a sentence.
To a first level of approximation we can say that
verbs end in 'ti~N' e.g., bhavati, nayati etc.
non-verbs end in 'sup' e.g., raamaH, kR^IShNena etc.
raam is not a valid 'padam' because it does not have the 'sup' suffix.
What in the world are 'sup' and 'ti~N'?
That's a major topic that we'll come to later, but I'll satisfy your
curiosity a little by saying
sup means, 'su au jas am au shas Taa bhyaaM bhis ~ne bhyaam bhyas ....."
raama + su = raamaH (based on some sandhi rule we'll get to later).
raama + jas = raamaaH
raama + am = raamam (dvitiiyaa vibhakti form of raama SabdaH).
A humorous reference to sup pratyayaaH occurs in an old telugu movie called
Maayaabazaar.
ghaTotkacha's court preceptor (actor RamaNaa Reddi) tries to make all the
raakShasa disciples recite the sup pratyayaaH
by asking them to repeat after him: 'su au jas .... Taa bhyaaM bhis ~ne
bhyaaM bhyas'
But the raakShasa folk, whose tongues are too thick and blunt, can't utter
the samyuktaakSharas properly.
They say 'Taa bayaam bis e bayaam bayas'
The preceptor gets vexed and utters 'Siva Sivaa', which the disciples also
repeat religiously after him :-)
>From the next lesson, we get into the various sandhi rules of Sanskrit
grammar.
- Sai.
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