Send sanskrit mailing list submissions to
sanskrit@cs.utah.edu
To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
http://mailman.cs.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/sanskrit
or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
sanskrit-requ...@cs.utah.edu
You can reach the person managing the list at
sanskrit-ow...@cs.utah.edu
When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
than "Re: Contents of sanskrit digest..."
Today's Topics:
1. Re: sanskrit Digest, Vol 55, Issue 21 (hn bhat)
2. Re: sanskrit Digest, Vol 55, Issue 21 (Hera Moon)
3. Re: Description Frogs at the first Rain Fall
(Krishnanand Mankikar)
4. Re: Concluding - Re: Sanskrit Seed (Bija) Syllables
(kamalesh pathak)
5. a description of the popular pilgrimage centers identified
with the looks of Mother Goddess (hn bhat)
6. Why to learn Sanskrit (hn bhat)
7. The personality of poetry. (P.K.Ramakrishnan)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Message: 1
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:00:09 +0530
From: hn bhat <hnbha...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] sanskrit Digest, Vol 55, Issue 21
To: sanskrit@cs.utah.edu
Message-ID:
<b1ef99310911302230t30413022yd0a2070267c9e...@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Ambujam Raman" <ambujamra...@rogers.com>
> To: "Sanskrit Mailing List" <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu>
> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 00:17:21 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] A grammarian reproach some people he disliked -
> retort
> Here is a modification :)
> ????-??????-??? ??????? ???-????????????????
> ??? ??? ?????? ???????? ???-??????????????||
> Indeed in the Rg veda the dhatu's ?????? and ?????? do undergo ??? and
> ??????.
> Hence the verse is modified to show that even those folks who lack virtue
> and prosperity would acquire those qualities when they acquire the vedic
> contact/ GyAna!
>
> Dr. S. Raman
>
Thank you for suggesting modification. But it is not specific to these two
roots. Panini himself accords overlaps of his own rules many times
"chandasi bahulam" nor its limited to Guna or Vriddhi. "????? ????? ??????
????????????" "?????? ????? ????? ????? ??????" is the maxim accepted by all
the grammarians, including Mahabhashyakaara..
But they will have to resort to get Vyakarana Gyan to learn grammar for use
in Classical language, even though Vedic Gyan may give virtues and
prosperity. Or may use as you like in Veda-s ignoring Panini's rules for
Sanskrit language by virtue of Vedic Gyan.
I shall be obliged if you come up with the examples from Rgveda so that I
can note down them as exceptions.
--
Hari Narayana Bhat B.R.
EFEO,
PONDICHERRY
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL:
http://mailman.cs.utah.edu/pipermail/sanskrit/attachments/20091201/3cd89beb/attachment-0001.html
------------------------------
Message: 2
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:43:16 +0100
From: "Hera Moon" <heram...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] sanskrit Digest, Vol 55, Issue 21
To: "'Sanskrit Mailing List'" <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu>
Message-ID: <4b14bb03.190c660a.1feb.ffffa...@mx.google.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Respectful thanks for this tangible example of how Classic Sanskrit can be at
variance with Vedic Sanskrit.
In this special case, too, Panini would certainly have added ?chandasi??
Hera Moon
_____
Von: sanskrit-boun...@cs.utah.edu [mailto:sanskrit-boun...@cs.utah.edu] Im
Auftrag von hn bhat
Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. Dezember 2009 07:30
An: sanskrit@cs.utah.edu
Betreff: Re: [Sanskrit] sanskrit Digest, Vol 55, Issue 21
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Ambujam Raman" <ambujamra...@rogers.com>
To: "Sanskrit Mailing List" <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu>
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 00:17:21 -0500
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] A grammarian reproach some people he disliked - retort
Here is a modification :)
????-??????-??? ??????? ???-????????????????
??? ??? ?????? ???????? ???-??????????????||
Indeed in the Rg veda the dhatu's ?????? and ?????? do undergo ??? and ??????.
Hence the verse is modified to show that even those folks who lack virtue and
prosperity would acquire those qualities when they acquire the vedic contact/
GyAna!
Dr. S. Raman
Thank you for suggesting modification. But it is not specific to these two
roots. Panini himself accords overlaps of his own rules many times "chandasi
bahulam" nor its limited to Guna or Vriddhi. "????? ????? ?????? ????????????"
"?????? ????? ????? ????? ??????" is the maxim accepted by all the grammarians,
including Mahabhashyakaara..
But they will have to resort to get Vyakarana Gyan to learn grammar for use in
Classical language, even though Vedic Gyan may give virtues and prosperity. Or
may use as you like in Veda-s ignoring Panini's rules for Sanskrit language by
virtue of Vedic Gyan.
I shall be obliged if you come up with the examples from Rgveda so that I can
note down them as exceptions.
--
Hari Narayana Bhat B.R.
EFEO,
PONDICHERRY
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL:
http://mailman.cs.utah.edu/pipermail/sanskrit/attachments/20091201/0a485c16/attachment-0001.html
------------------------------
Message: 3
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 15:51:50 +0530
From: Krishnanand Mankikar <kdmanki...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Description Frogs at the first Rain Fall
To: Sanskrit Mailing List <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu>
Message-ID:
<2b2948ae0912010221g20c63950u43272f6351c52...@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Thank you.
That was good
KDM
2009/11/30 hn bhat <hnbha...@gmail.com>
> Prayer to Manduka-s
>
> ???????? ?????? ????????? ???????????
>
> ???? ???????????????? ??? ??????? ????????? ?.???.??
>
> ?????? ??? ??? ?????????????? ? ?????? ???? ???????
>
> ????? ? ???????????????? ?????????? ?????????? ?????? ?.???.??
>
> ???????? ???? ???????????????????? ??????????????????
>
> ???????????? ????? ? ?????? ????? ??????? ?????????? ?.???.??
>
> ????? ??????? ???????????????? ???????? ??????????????
>
> ??????? ?????????? ??????????????? ??????????? ?????? ?????? ?.???.??
>
> ?????????? ??????? ???? ?????????? ???? ??????????
>
> ????? ?????? ?????? ???? ????????? ????????????? ?.???.??
>
> ?????????? ?????????? ?????????? ???? ?? ??????
>
> ????? ??? ??????? ??????? ???????? ???? ??????????????? ?.???.??
>
> ??????????? ????????? ? ???? ??? ? ?????????? ???????
>
> ?????????? ???? ??? ??? ??????????? ?????????? ????? ?.???.??
>
> ??????????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ????????? ?????????????
>
> ????????? ??????? ?????????? ??????????? ?????? ? ?? ????? ?.???.??
>
> ???????? ????????????????? ???? ??? ? ??? ????????????
>
> ???????? ???????????????? ????? ????? ???????? ????????? ?.???.??
>
> ???????????????????????????????????? ?? ??????
>
> ???? ??????? ???? ????? ????????? ??? ?????? ????? ?.???.??
>
> -----------------------
>
> sa?vatsara? ?a?ay?n? br?hma?? vratac?ri?a? |
>
> v?ca? parjanyajinvit?? pra ma???k? av?di?u? || 7.103.01
>
> divy? ?po abhi yadenam?yand?ti? na ?u?ka? saras? ?ay?nam |
>
> gav?maha na m?yurvatsin?n?? ma???k?n?? vagnuratr? sameti || 7.103.02
>
> yad?men?? u?ato abhyavar??tt??y?vata? pr?v??y?gat?y?m |
>
> akhkhal?k?ty? pitara? na putro anyo anyamupa vadantameti || 7.103.03
>
> anyo anyamanu g?bh??tyenorap?? prasarge yadamandi??t?m |
>
> ma???ko yadabhiv???a? kani?kanp??ni? samp??kte haritena v?cam || 7.103.04
>
> yade??manyo anyasya v?ca? ??ktasyeva vadati ?ik?am??a? |
>
> sarva? tade??? sam?dheva parva yatsuv?co vadathan?dhyapsu || 7.103.05
>
> gom?yureko ajam?yureka? p??nireko harita eka e??m |
>
> sam?na? n?ma bibhrato vir?p?? purutr? v?ca? pipi?urvadanta? || 7.103.06
>
> br?hma??so atir?tre na some saro na p?r?amabhito vadanta? |
>
> sa?vatsarasya tadaha? pari ??ha yanma???k?? pr?v????a? babh?va || 7.103.07
>
> br?hma??sa? somino v?camakrata brahma k??vanta? parivatsar??am |
>
> adhvaryavo gharmi?a? si?vid?n? ?virbhavanti guhy? na ke cit || 7.103.08
>
> devahiti? jugupurdv?da?asya ?tu? naro na pra minantyete |
>
> sa?vatsare pr?v??y?gat?y?? tapt? gharm? a?nuvate visargam || 7.103.09
>
> gom?yurad?dajam?yurad?tp??nirad?ddharito no vas?ni |
>
> gav?? ma???k? dadata? ?at?ni sahasras?ve pra tiranta ?yu? || 7.103.10||
>
>
> Translation
>
>
> *[07-103] HYMN CIII. Frogs.*
>
> 1. THEY who lay quiet for a year, the Brahmans who fulfil their vows,
>
> The Frogs have lifted up their voice, the voice Parjanya hath inspired.
>
> 2 What time on these, as on a dry skin lying in the pool's bed, the floods
> of heaven descended,
>
> The music of the Frogs comes forth in concert like the cows lowing with
> their calves beside them.
>
> 3 When at the coming of the Rains the water has poured upon them as they
> yearned and thirsted,
>
> One seeks another as he talks and greets him with cries of pleasure as a
> son his father.
>
> 4 Each of these twain receives the other kindly, while they are revelling
> in the flow of waters,
>
> When the Frog moistened by the rain springs forward, and Green and Spotty
> both combine their
>
> voices.
>
> 5 When one of these repeats the other's language, as he who learns the
> lesson of the teacher,
>
> Your every limb seems to be growing larger as ye converse with eloquence on
> the waters.
>
> 6 Onc is Cow-bellow and Goat-bleat the other, one Frog is Green and one of
> them is Spotty.
>
> They bear one common name, and yet they vary, and, talking, modulate the
> voice diversely.
>
> 7 As Brahmans, sitting round the brimful vessel, talk at the Soma-rite of
> Atiratra,
>
> So, Frogs, ye gather round the pool to honour this day of all the year, the
> first of Rain-time.
>
> 8 These Brahmans with the Soma juice, performing their year-long rite, have
> lifted up their voices;
>
> And these Adhvaryus, sweating with their kettles, come forth and show
> themselves, and none are
>
> hidden.
>
> 9 They keep the twelve month's God-appointed order, and never do the men
> neglect the season.
>
> Soon as the Rain-time in the year returneth, these who were heated kettles
> gain their freedom.
>
> 10 Cow-bellow and Goat-bleat have granted riches, and Green and Spotty have
> vouchsafed us
>
> treasure.
>
> The Frogs who give us cows in hundreds lengthen our lives in this most
> fertile season.
>
> Description Frogs at the first Rain Fall as a Vedic Seer visualized them.
>
> There is an episode that the Seer Vasishtha was led to praise these Frogs.
> Once he offered a prayer to Parjanya to send rain fall and he was astonished
> to see that the frogs around him also greeted him with their loud voice. He
> was pleased with the frogs and composed this Sukta in their praise. Hope you
> also would like the description. And, in times of draught, this prayer is to
> be chanted in the ways prescribed for it with the sacrifice, according to
> Shaunaka.
>
> In case any explanation on any word is needed, I shall be only glad to
> offer it in my next posting.
>
> --
> Hari Narayana Bhat B.R.
> EFEO,
> PONDICHERRY
>
> _______________________________________________
> To UNSUBSCRIBE or customize your subscription or topics of interest, visit
> http://mailman.cs.utah.edu/mailman/options/sanskrit
> and follow instructions.
>
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL:
http://mailman.cs.utah.edu/pipermail/sanskrit/attachments/20091201/e5795627/attachment-0001.html
------------------------------
Message: 4
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:43:21 +0530
From: kamalesh pathak <kamleshsomn...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Concluding - Re: Sanskrit Seed (Bija)
Syllables
To: Sanskrit Mailing List <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu>
Message-ID:
<171bab240911302313x47e328bdm202889940f0b7...@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
hi. namaste.
there were 8 other grammerians before Panini.
please see the 3rd to 5th chapter for beej mantras in the book
----> ShAradA tilak Tantram concluded by Arther Avlon & it is
published by Khemraj SriKhrishna Das- mubbai-pune-banaras.
there is tremendous explaining for Bija. named Bhoot lipi or Matrika patal.
raise more questions. thank you.
regards and jay somnath,
kamalesh pathak
2009/11/30 shiva aushadhi <shivausha...@gmail.com>
> I thank all those who have responded & emailed me regarding my question.
> Indeed I have learned of the bija syllables & their associated
> characteristics. I have been made aware through literature & the aural
> experience of recitation allowed me to practice bija japa through emulation.
>
>
> Such practices became the origin, inspiration & motivation of my pursuit to
> experience an understanding of sanskrit wisdom. Approaching my study with
> the primary interest in devotion to the vedic texts (& sri adi S A's
> commentaries) I found I should first seek to understand grammar & etymology,
> prosody & speech if I truly desired to know this potent tongue.
>
> Learning of Panini's maheshvara sutras/ashtadhyayi & reading a bit about
> the history of sanskrit / devanagari : I had began to wonder if the bija
> syllables are considered seeds of the sanskrit language, which is why i
> posted my inquiry. If I knew sanskit I could explain my confusion better.
> *( I have spent an hour typing & then deleting my poor attempts to state
> my deeper confusions regarding the Origins, Chronology & Differences
> between Spoken & Written Sanskrit. I must study more before I elaborate
> with further inquiries. I am already embarrassed by inarticulate ramblings)
> *
>
> The works of panini are currently considered the oldest authority on
> Sanskrit Grammar*. Which text first recorded/revealed/proclaimed the
> sounds & qualities of the Bijas? I have not discovered reference to their
> mention within the four vedas or upanishads, But I know nothing of the
> greatness of these texts. It is the publication "Shiva Puja & Advanced
> Yajna" as well as "Kali Puja" where I find the use of Bija syllables.
>
>
> Thank you for the time you have taken in responding. It has clarified my
> confusion. I now know that the seed syllables are not meant to be considered
> as the seeds of the sanskrit language. It is within the pursuit, practice &
> experience of understanding Sanskrit that I become one with God.
>
> Bless you all for the infinite wisdom & fellowship you share through this
> group. I give great thanks for the boons of this community!
>
> Humbly yours,
> -shivaushadhi-
>
> ***Kindly inform me, should my above statements have any errors. Am I
> wrong to assume that there are no authoritative texts on grammar prior to
> panini? I would like to believe that there are predecessors to Panini.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> To UNSUBSCRIBE or customize your subscription or topics of interest, visit
> http://mailman.cs.utah.edu/mailman/options/sanskrit
> and follow instructions.
>
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL:
http://mailman.cs.utah.edu/pipermail/sanskrit/attachments/20091201/d4ff764c/attachment-0001.html
------------------------------
Message: 5
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:17:46 +0530
From: hn bhat <hnbha...@gmail.com>
Subject: [Sanskrit] a description of the popular pilgrimage centers
identified with the looks of Mother Goddess
To: sanskrit@cs.utah.edu
Message-ID:
<b1ef99310912010647p17d7256em66e288b687238...@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
*Here is a description of the popular pilgrimage centers identified with the
looks of Mother Goddess*
*??????** **???????** **????????????????** **???????***
* **????????** **????** **?????** **?????** **?????????***
*??????** **??????????** **??????????????????***
* **??????** **??????????????????????** **???????** **??***
*vi??l? kaly??? sphu?arucirayodhy? kuvalayai?***
* k?p?dh?r? dh?r? kimapi madhur? bhogavatik? |***
*avant? d???iste bahunagaravist?ravijay?***
* dhruva? tattann?mavyavahara?ayogy? vijayate **|*|SaundaryaLahari of Sri
Sankara 49 ||
All thy glory to thy eyes which are wide (*vi??l?*) , auspicious (*kaly???),
*possessing the blossoming splendour undefeatable (*ayodhy?*) for the
lilies, the stream consisting of grace continuously (*dh?r?*), sweet beyond
description (*madhur?*), stretched along (*bhogavatik?)**, *protecting (*
avant?*) and* *thus conquering (*vijay?*) by expansion all of these cities,
certainly deserves to be called by their names of them (the cities
defeated, surrender their names to your eyes).
Note: The names given in brackets are the names of popular cities in
Indiaat the time of Shankara, envisage pilgrimage places having the
presence of
the graceful sight of Devi, are included in the description. Also, the same
adjectives, of the looks of Mother Goddess in Tantric rites, are unique in
their form causing agitation, attraction, tenderness amounting
liquerfaction, infatuation, enhancement, rejection, anger and death
respectively. (I remember seeing some discussion on Tantric spells).
--
Hari Narayana Bhat B.R.
EFEO,
PONDICHERRY
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL:
http://mailman.cs.utah.edu/pipermail/sanskrit/attachments/20091201/dd960031/attachment-0001.html
------------------------------
Message: 6
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:20:41 +0530
From: hn bhat <hnbha...@gmail.com>
Subject: [Sanskrit] Why to learn Sanskrit
To: sanskrit@cs.utah.edu
Message-ID:
<b1ef99310912010650q95259efh9230d64ace03d...@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Why to learn Sanskrit?
In the heart of London, a British school has made Sanskrit compulsory
subject for its junior division because it helps students grasp math,
science and other languages better.
"This is the most perfect and logical language in the world, the only one
that is not named after the people who speak it. Indeed the word itself
means 'perfected language." --Warwick Jessup, Head, Head, Sanskrit
department
"The Devnagri script and spoken Sanskrit are two of the best ways for a
child to overcome stiffness of fingers and the tongue," says Moss. "Today's
European languages do not use many parts of the tongue and mouth while
speaking or many finger movements while writing, whereas Sanskrit helps
immensely to develop cerebral dexterity through its phonetics."
Full article in British Newspaper
http://www.charityfocus.org/blog/upload/2008/Sanskrit.pdf or
http://www.scribd.com/doc/23287355/A-British-School-Makes-Sanskrit-Compulsory
--
Hari Narayana Bhat B.R.
EFEO,
PONDICHERRY
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL:
http://mailman.cs.utah.edu/pipermail/sanskrit/attachments/20091201/09b600e8/attachment-0001.html
------------------------------
Message: 7
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:29:44 +0530 (IST)
From: "P.K.Ramakrishnan" <peeka...@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Sanskrit] The personality of poetry.
To: sanskrit digest <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu>
Message-ID: <775275.56928...@web95303.mail.in2.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
??????????????????????:
???????? ?????:
???? ???: ??????????:
???????? ?????: /
????? ????: ---------------------------
---------------------------------------
//
yasyaschoraschikuramukurah karNapuuro mayuurah
bhaaso haasah kavikulaguruh kalidaso vilaasah /
harsho harshah -----------------------
----------------------------------------
I have forgotten the full shloka. Can someone post the
same.
Thanks.
-----------------------------------
P.K. Ramakrishnan
The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage.
http://in.yahoo.com/
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL:
http://mailman.cs.utah.edu/pipermail/sanskrit/attachments/20091201/1a4b795f/attachment.html
------------------------------
_______________________________________________
To UNSUBSCRIBE or customize your subscription and email delivery, visit
http://mailman.cs.utah.edu/mailman/options/sanskrit
and follow instructions.
End of sanskrit Digest, Vol 56, Issue 1
***************************************
