I will second that. It took me a lot of time to understand that users created with dbmcli are not SQL users.
The manuals indeed are very hard to use when you are not familiar with the database. That is the learning curve is too steep. One has to read some 300 pages or so to finaly be able to start doing something. Then it gets easier. I think that an easy to use text-mode SQL client has to be included in distribution. Documentation mentions a python interactive client but it is nowhere to be found. Once TST database is created a new user does not know what to do with it. He/she does not even know how to log in, create, populate and query a sample table. I would gladly contribute if you start such a project. Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elias Martenson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 12:52 PM Subject: Re: AW: Sap setup > Arne Gehlhaar wrote: > > Hi, > > I think what Carl is trying to say - and I completely agree - is that > > the information required to complete even simple tasks is quite > > difficult to locate, even if the task itself is not so difficult. If you > > take the installation manual for example. There are more headers and > > links and references and prerequisites and next steps and all than there > > is real information. > > > > [ explanation of problems snipped ] > > > > The problem is not that there are no docs. The problem is that there are > > too many and too confusing. And that doesn't help, if your not really > > sure where to start in the first place. > > > > Anyway, it's comforting to see that other people have the same kind of > > problems which means that I am probably not as dumb as I think sometimes. > > I agree fully. When I started using SapDB I spent 2 days just trying to > get a basic system up so I caould log in and execute some SQL queries. > The installation manual certainly wasn't of much help. Also, keep in > mind that Iw as on Linux and thus did not have the luxury of using the > DBM GUI. > > The point is, that if you know the system, as I do now, the reference > manual is great. I can find any information I need within a coupl eof > minutes and it contains exactly the information I need. > > The problem is for new users that need somehting to start with. For > example, none of the installation manuals I read mentioned the fact that > there is a difference between adminitstration users and SQL users, and > that the DBA is the only user that works in both (or is it that that > user is created in both places by the installation wizard? I still > haven't figured that one out. :-) ). > > However, I do not intend to just sit here and complain about it. After I > got such a wonderful product for free, the least I can do is try to give > something back. > > I have been thinking of writing a SapDB new users guide for Linux that > explains the basic concepts and giudes you though an installation to the > point where you have a database and a user and it able to run SQL > queries. I believe that there are a lot of people (currently using MySQL > perhaps?) that would benefit a lot from such a document. I also believe > that the users of their web sites are also going to benefit from them > migrating to SapDB. :-) > > Regards > Elias M�rtenson > > > > _______________________________________________ > sapdb.general mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://listserv.sap.com/mailman/listinfo/sapdb.general > _______________________________________________ sapdb.general mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://listserv.sap.com/mailman/listinfo/sapdb.general
