On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 11:23:12 -0700, Daniel Fetchinson wrote: > Well, I actually have been using sawfish standalone without gnome or > kde since it appeared in redhat.
I'm using Sawfish standalone, too. >> Common things noobs think about sawfish (not a joke): >> >> - Too many functions, which no one needs (the argument that you just >> don't know them and therefore can't say if you would need them is not >> of interest) >> - Bad Usability (well this is that sawfish-ui is shit therefore >> sawfish is also shit thingy) >> - It's not part of most Distros - can't be good >> >> Of course this is only a group of users and not all. >> >> This may sound pesimistic, but: I absolutely don't care how many users >> are using Sawfish, for me it's the Ultimate Windowmanager, regardless >> of anyone else, so you don't have to fear to get rid of me :p > > I think what would attract the right kinds of users is a clear message > about the intended audience. It should be clear from the project page > who are expected to use sawfish and for whom probably it's not a good > choice. If this policy is clear then the effort can go into convincing > the right kinds of users and no effort will be wasted on preaching to > people who will not care anyway. For example it might be the case that > gnome 3 is not compatible with sawfish anymore, but is this a problem? > I don't think so. I don't know how many gnome users use sawfish but > I'd think much more are using sawfish standalone. > > Similarly, the main effort I think should go into making sawfish as > good as possible for standalone mode because these users are the > natural audience who are really committed to sawfish. Only a few develop today, and each do what they want to do. So we don't have to care = can't care of the "intended audience". Though I don't use desktop environments, DE's are important. Proof: many need it. (As I said I believe in popularity.) One more proof is that Chris switched from gnome to kde; he needs a DE despite of G2K transition labor. But Gnome's WM-phobia can't be helped by us. Let's hope non-metacity gnome users grumble surge. But yes, >> - Bad Usability (well this is that sawfish-ui is shit therefore >> sawfish is also shit thingy) can be a common reaction. Sawfish currently is not for such people. Teika (Teika kazura)
