I think the short-term assertion is sound (setup a group to make a push in training, awareness, and integration with SOP), but I'm not convinced the long-term assertion (that is, maintaining the group past the initial push) is in fact meritorious. I think there's a danger in setting up dedicated security groups of almost any sort as it provides a crutch to organizations that then leads to a failure to integrate security practices into general SOP.
What is advocated seems to be consistent with how we've approached security as an industry for the past couple decades (or longer), and I don't see this as having the long-term benefit that was desired or intended. It seems that when you don't make people directly responsible and liable for doing the right things, they then fail at the ask and let others do it instead. It's the old "lazy sysadmin" axiom that we script repeatable tasks because it's easier in the long run. The question, then, comes down to one of psychology and people management. How do we make people responsible for their actions such that they begin to adopt better practices? The basic response should be to enact consequences, and I think that now is probably an optimal time for businesses to get very hard-nosed about these sorts of things (high unemployment means lots of people looking for work means employers have the advantage). This perhaps sounds very ugly and nasty, and obviously it will be if taken to an extreme, but we have a serious problem culturally in that non-security people still don't seem to think, on average, that security is in their job description. Solve that problem, and all this other stuff becomes a footnote. fwiw. -ben Gary McGraw wrote: > hi sc-l, > > This list is made up of a bunch of practitioners (more than a > thousand from what Ken tells me), and we collectively have many > different ways of promoting software security in our companies and > our clients. The BSIMM study <http://bsi-mm.com> focuses attention > on software security in large organizations and just at the moment > covers the work of 1554 full time employees working every day in 26 > software security initiatives. One phenomenon we observed in the > BSIMM was that every large initiative has a Software Security Group > (SSG) to carry out and lead software security activities. > > I wrote about our observations around SSGs in this month's informIT > article: > > http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=1434903 > > Simply put, an SSG is a critical part of a software security > initiative in all companies with more than 100 developers. (We're > still not sure about SSGs in smaller organizations, but the BSIMM > Begin data (now hovering at 75 firms) may be revealing.) > > Cigital's SSG was formed in 1997 (with John Viega, Brad Arkin, and me > as founding members). Since its inception, we've helped plan, staff, > and carry out ten large software security initiatives in customer > firms. One of the most important first tasks is establishing an SSG. > > > Merry New Year everybody. > > gem > > company www.cigital.com podcast www.cigital.com/silverbullet blog > www.cigital.com/justiceleague book www.swsec.com > > _______________________________________________ Secure Coding mailing > list (SC-L) SC-L@securecoding.org List information, subscriptions, > etc - http://krvw.com/mailman/listinfo/sc-l List charter available at > - http://www.securecoding.org/list/charter.php SC-L is hosted and > moderated by KRvW Associates, LLC (http://www.KRvW.com) as a free, > non-commercial service to the software security community. > _______________________________________________ > > -- Benjamin Tomhave, MS, CISSP fal...@secureconsulting.net Blog: http://www.secureconsulting.net/ Twitter: http://twitter.com/falconsview Photos: http://photos.secureconsulting.net/ Web: http://falcon.secureconsulting.net/ LI: http://www.linkedin.com/in/btomhave [ Random Quote: ] "The only source of knowledge is experience." Albert Einstein _______________________________________________ Secure Coding mailing list (SC-L) SC-L@securecoding.org List information, subscriptions, etc - http://krvw.com/mailman/listinfo/sc-l List charter available at - http://www.securecoding.org/list/charter.php SC-L is hosted and moderated by KRvW Associates, LLC (http://www.KRvW.com) as a free, non-commercial service to the software security community. _______________________________________________
