Another FIPS thing that is subtle but may come in late in your purchase cycle 
to bite you is:
Is the supervisory module of a server FIPS-compliant?
This is a board with its own processor and memory.

For example, HPE's iLO4: 
http://csrc.nist.gov/groups/STM/cmvp/documents/140-1/140sp/140sp2574.pdf

It matters for both setup (at beginning of use) and sanitizing (at end of use).

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-----Original Message-----
From: Todd, Charles <ct...@ball.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 7:13 AM
To: SCAP Security Guide <scap-security-guide@lists.fedorahosted.org>
Cc: Jeffrey Hawkins <rtswg...@hotmail.com>; Ted Brunell <tbrun...@redhat.com>
Subject: EXT :RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Any rumors on next draft for RHEL 8 STIG from 
DISA?

Trevor,
That is most interesting.  I fully understand a desire to only accept the 
certification on select hardware as choosing the wrong hardware (e.g. ARM with 
a different IP stack) might lack important key handling features like 
anti-tamper.  I'm not sure I see why the compile-time **hardware** makes a 
significant difference, given the state of cross-compilers.  I would think that 
the compile-time **software** would have the greatest influence as it a direct 
vector for supply chain attacks.
I've been skimming the FIPS 140-2 doc and the best I can see is that 
compile-time hardware is part of "Design Assurance" (Table 1 and section 4.10). 
 All of the other documentation I can see refers to the operating environment 
or designing towards a particular (hostile) environment.

I don't doubt that what you say is true given the list of unwritten rules most 
organizations have.  I'm curious about the basis for such a rule.  If you know 
and have time to educate, I would be most fascinated to understand the 
reasoning.

Thanks,
Charlie Todd
CISSP, Ball Aerospace

-----Original Message-----
From: Trevor Vaughan <tvaug...@onyxpoint.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 9:51 AM
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Cc: Jeffrey Hawkins <rtswg...@hotmail.com>; Ted Brunell <tbrun...@redhat.com>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Any rumors on next draft for RHEL 8 STIG from DISA?

A note of clarification, for the FIPS certification, the hardware that the 
software is built on matters so re-rolling it yourself and/or the CentOS 
"binary compatible" rolls aren't part of the certified package.

Do they meet the functional requirements....probably.

Do they meet the legal requirements (NIST 800-53, etc...)....no.

Trevor


On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 9:51 AM Mark Thacker <mthac...@redhat.com 
<mailto:mthac...@redhat.com> > wrote:


        Hello all,

        
        

        A few of items of discussion here:

        
        

        1. Red Hat validates the shipped crypto modules in RHEL itself. CentOS 
Stream is the evolving next release of those same modules. However, because 
CentOS Stream is a developer-focused, evolving project, Red Hat will not be 
validating the CentOS Stream modules themselves. Any issues, bugs, functional 
or security problems discovered in CentOS Stream (including the crypto modules) 
would indeed be filed as bugs, and addressed in CentOS and RHEL.

        
        

        2. While OpenSCAP and the profiles we build will be included in CentOS 
Stream, they are treated as upstream from a support perspective. Our work flow 
still starts with the Compliance As Code GIT repository upstream, through 
CentOS Stream and into RHEL.

        
        

        3. To be clear, code modifications and changes required to obtain 
certifications such as FIPS and Common Criteria will certainly be reflected in 
CentOS Stream (as all changes are, with the exception of embargoed content).  
But the certifications themselves will only ever be done on RHEL itself as that 
is the stable, long term supported release.
        

        
        

        
        

        On 1/5/21 5:30 PM, Jeffrey Hawkins wrote:
        

                Hi Mark,

                Related topic....  
                

                Do you know if the FIPS Software Modules/Libraries that RedHat 
certifies RHEL8.x will be included in CENTOS Stream (similar to existing CENTOS 
approach), or will CENTOS Stream have different Crypto Software?    Also, 
any nuances or strategy changes we may need to be aware of as to OpenScap and 
Benchmarks for CENTOS Stream?
                

                Jeff
                

________________________________

                From: Mark Thacker <mthac...@redhat.com> 
<mailto:mthac...@redhat.com> 
                Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 8:05 AM
                To: SCAP Security Guide 
<scap-security-guide@lists.fedorahosted.org> 
<mailto:scap-security-guide@lists.fedorahosted.org> ; Ted Brunell 
<tbrun...@redhat.com> <mailto:tbrun...@redhat.com> 
                Subject: Re: Any rumors on next draft for RHEL 8 STIG from 
DISA? 
                Â 

                Hi all,

                An update :

                * RHEL 8 Common Criteria is in process and we expect to 
complete and announce in EARLY Q1 CY2021

                * RHEL 8 FIPS is finishing now! Actually, two of our certs are 
in hand now for RHEL 8 with three more in the final stages (in Coordination 
state). We expect to push a press release when we have all of the module 
validation certificates completed. 
                

                Again, expect that we will announce more publicly when we have 
completed the certifications for each of these standards.

                
                

                On 12/2/20 4:30 PM, Ted Brunell wrote:
                

                        I cannot really talk much about CC and FIPS, but the 
STIG is expected to be published by DISA (based on the draft STIG content on 
RHEL 8.2 and 8.3) sometime early next year.
                        
                        DISA may be able to provide a more concise timeframe. 
(disa.stig_...@mail.mil <mailto:disa.stig_...@mail.mil> ).
                        


                        R/

                        Ted Brunell

                        
                        



                        On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 12:14 PM Hayden,Robert 
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                                Curious on if anyone has any information on the 
next draft release from DISA on RHEL 8 STIG benchmarks?  The one in May was 
pretty rough and did not really match where the current upstream was moving 
towards.

                                Â 

                                Thanks in advance

                                Robert

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Cerner Corporation

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