Hello,
just a few notes about Chessbase compared to Scid. Finding duplicate games in
Chessbase takes 60 times more time than in Scid. During this time (6 hours) no
access in Chessbase and no possibility to start another instance of it.
Compacting the database the same. Basically every non-trivial algorithm
implemented in Chessbase is unusable.
With Chessbase 11 it is the first time possible to view the reference
statistics and the notation of a game at the same time! Before I had to switch
between tabs. I like to see for a game its notation, reference statistics of
the current position, statistics of my opponent games and of my own ones in a
single window updating with every move. That is what I expect professionals to
use.
Now Chessbase has reimplemented the UI instead. And here is the proof. There
are people believing that there must be a nice product behind a nice UI.
Gerd
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Von: Michał Rudolf [mailto:mrud...@kdewebdev.org]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Dezember 2010 16:23
An: scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Betreff: Re: [Scid-users] ideas for improvement?
Dnia 2010-12-28, wto o godzinie 16:17 -0900, Chris Lott pisze:
> The single best feature I will admit is useful in searches, is CQL.
> Scid does NOT have it , only Chess Assistant 10 and up has CQL.You
> will have to google it and look at the article and link on chessok.com
> or google chessok.com and CQL 2008-2009 follow up.
While CQL may be useful sometimes, I doubt more than 1% of users will
ever use it. It is clearly intended for a power user.
> I can say chessbase is faster than scid, to find patterns in new
> collections like 2-3000 TWIC chess games. It will sort and index tons
> as well as crossovers and thematic connections. scid is still limited.
Indexing finds things like mate in 2 or rook endgames. This is quite
trivial to implement, but doesn't seem useful. I don't think there is a
software which automatically can find deflection, bank rank mate or
decoy tactics.
> Chessbase 10 has an ability to display a tree and show next move %
> from each color not just white's side.
This is something that always puzzled me. Why use the format which
requires keeping an eye on which side is to move? Again, changing from
'white' to 'side to move' is probably a one-line change - but for me a
highly unwelcomed one.
> It also shows discarded lines,
> one click repertoire prep, one click opponent prep as black/white,
> best player and/or most frequent player for each line, the critical
> line (best play both sides/forced lines subvariations), show next move
> in tree (ex: list each line then show stats% for each follow up move
> and branch per side). It shows it as a list with say black response
> then all lines go horizontal and allow how far to display 1-20 moves.
Does anybody has some screenshots to explain those?
> Chess basics are easy in scid, but for serious tournament type stuff,
> use only chessbase professional (mega or premium), Chess Assistant 11
> professional (mega), and the August 2010 chess openings wizard
> professional, and Deep Rybka 4 with Deep Rybka Aquarium 4, as they do
> tons more than SCID can ever remotely possibly attempt to do.
Ok, this is just a typical Internet rant with no arguments. Of course,
some commercial tools probably are better than Scid, although some proof
will be welcomed.
>I had trouble with never being
> able to sort games name list by alphabetical order, but with 1 click
> convenience, can make one mouse click in chessbase and the "tab" at
> the top changes and sorts entire 5,000,000 game list in 2 to 3 seconds
> tops! on a 100,000 game list, it was instant ! click,it is A-Z, click
> again, it goes Z-A order; and you can scroll through to see who has
> what.
I wonder if changing the order column of 5M games also is instant? Can
anybody confirm that?
> Chessbase also has a feature SCID needs but lacks, the "player" tab
Present in Scid as a separate window.
> like 10 middlegame features, motifs,themes,etc to show on player
> report or opening report, and chessbase has over 500 (five hundred no
> typo). Which do you think is more complex and detailed? It does a
> summary with + sign left of each word for more breakdown (expands /
> opens folder).
Both seem more or less useless to me (what good comes from a list of
mate in 1 or 'pawn endgames with 2 pawns' themes?)
> You try to load TWIC and see who has most games, try it, and you do it
> manual vs automatic "1 touch shopping" in chessbase. You click number
> column tab and instantly see whose games are feature most this time.
I don't understand last question.
> The big sales part is showing discarded lines, %won, preparing for
> select players as either color
This is missing in Scid and requires some tricks like copying player
games to separate database. Definitely should be easier.
> and one click opening reports and player reports
Present in Scid.
> showing stats/themes/strategy/tactics/endings/and much
> more. When all used together, you get an extremely prepared opponent,
>ready to win; explaining why the pros use the commercial software,
I doubt professionals use CB to see what tactics or endings are common
for their opponents. Only openings do count here and Scid doesn't need
much here to match CB.
> Scid cannot show pictures or graphic with mouse overs. Chessbase has
> nice ability to show "final Material" as you mouse over the column. It
> will show you a mini board and every piece ! That means big
> "TIMESAVER" !
> You can slide the mouse over the column (called mouse
> over) and each row shows mini board and location of all pieces and
> pawns, saving you time to avoid clicking each game. Sure the column
> tells you R ending of R3P-R2P, but no idea in hell where they are put
> on board. Chessbase shows you details and you can decide if worth time
> looking at.
> Chessbase also has ability to show list of games and load each game at
> the start of endgame, jump to ending, saving more time for endgame
> review, as you blitz through endings.
> Chess Assistant has ability to load from middlegame and jump to
> middlegame spot automatically, no guess work. Another timesaver. Maybe
> these guys here, or Daniel can show how SCID can do that, to save you
> time.
All of these are some very specific (and not very accurately described)
features which probably all have their Scid equivalents.
> you can search, or show like "show me all players who have
> 200-350, 4-6, 5,000-15,000 games, only players with less than 20
> games,etc."
You can do the same in Scid. It is as much not needed in Scid as in CB.
How often one searches for player that played 200-350 games? Once per
lifetime?
> Compare going through scid help files to time it takes to read Dr.
> Seuss "Green eggs and ham". But on the other hand, Compare Chess
> Assistant, Chessbase, Rybka Aquarium help files to time it takes to
> read entire set "Encyclopedia Brittanica". "Slight" difference !
As everybody knows, all users do read help files.
> Last note is SCID has 500 ECO codes and 26 letters per code. Example
> B22 alapin sicilian and it uses B22a, B22b, B22c, etc for like mabe
> 13K (13 thousand) breakdowns total. Chessbase calls them "keys" and
> has 104,000 breakdowns. Case in point is where I clicked SCID to show
> group in an ECO and it lacked
> finesse,specifics,details,timesavers,etc. Chessbase had 15 more
> "expanded folders" or "subdivisions" between the 2 groupings, and SCID
> makes you do it by hand. You can also sub divide the folders by click
> on "add subkeys" and keep adding to infinite number as it has no
> limit. It comes in handy on "long variations".
Great. Now probably even better chess software will come, which will
have 1,000,000 keys. And everybody will keep using a board and a tree to
study opening (do you know anybody who uses those keys in CB to prepare
for the games?)
> You can name a database anything such as "My special preparation for
> player X" and tell chessbase to save it as a "repertoire" type
> database. You can have multiple unlimited repertoire databases ! When
> you dump TWIC games in chessbase, it ask if you want "auto sort to
> repertoire databases". click yes and yes to do not show this box
> again.
Great. I believe all chess professionals are eager to study all games
from World Championship under 10 in their beloved openings.
Ok, it is enough for me, maybe somebody can find some time to answer the
rest of points.
To me, the whole very long rant lists many absurd pseudoadvantages ,
without really getting to the point. And in my opinion the point is:
CB (and to some degree CA) advantages are:
* polished GUI
* big and partially annotated databases
* tree indexing and trees for opening preparation
* plenty of books in CB format
--
Michał Rudolf
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