"Chessbase thought about what users want, and got this part right"

Please remember that scidvspc is NOT a commercial product, but a 
community effort by a group of dedicated programmers that have 
volunteered their time. Solving everyone's problems isn't an easy 
endeavor, and sometimes not even possible. You are getting a program 
that is in the same class as Chessbase, for free!

Let's be a bit more tolerant about the programs limitations and a bit 
more appreciative.


On 05/04/2015 04:52 PM, Maksim Grinman wrote:
> I'm ready to drop it because it's really not that big a deal, but I
> want to add that though I haven't used Chessbase for a couple years
> now, I don't remember this being a problem there. .
>
> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 7:47 PM, Maksim Grinman <maxc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> What does the order that we learn something have anything to do with
>> this? Whenever I do a SQL query where I need to see the latest few
>> rows, I do order by time desc, and when I open my games list, I want
>> the latest one at the top, not the bottom. I don't care about the game
>> I played 2 years ago when I started recording my games. I don't know
>> about any standards to have old stuff be shown to you as more
>> important.
>>
>> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 5:58 PM,
>> <scidvspc-users-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
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>>>     2. Re: Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 1 (Valente Silva)
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>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 10:55:22 -0400
>>> From: Maksim Grinman <maxc...@gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 1
>>> To: scidvspc mailing list <scidvspc-users@lists.sourceforge.net>
>>> Message-ID:
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>>> <cagrtvoe3bd1c1mkh3kere7b3hezavgj6ne3gv-t87rs4dgi...@mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>
>>> It's a matter of defaults. Maybe I'm alone in this, but when you open a
>>> games file, say your pgn of blitz games online, don't you want it to open
>>> with the most recent games on top?
>>> On May 4, 2015 8:00 AM, <scidvspc-users-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
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>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>
>>>>     1. Game list default ordering (Maksim Grinman)
>>>>     2. Re: Game list default ordering (Steve A)
>>>>     3. Re: Game list default ordering (Maksim Grinman)
>>>>     4. Re: Game list default ordering (Valente Silva)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 14:45:57 -0400
>>>> From: Maksim Grinman <maxc...@gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
>>>> To: scidvspc mailing list <scidvspc-users@lists.sourceforge.net>
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>          <CAGRtvOcfH_fBbfU_SVLZNEPEYL2X_DBhABbOQzahym0efDAb=
>>>> g...@mail.gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>>
>>>> Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>>>> list to be date desc?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 2
>>>> Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 06:51:47 +1000
>>>> From: Steve A <stevena...@gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
>>>> To: Maksim Grinman <maxc...@gmail.com>,         scidvspc-users
>>>>          <scidvspc-users@lists.sourceforge.net>
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>          <CAKDNZpFi82oj5vzdUvmxDM9aaA65jjjgSOt-6afKX_sPxP+F=
>>>> w...@mail.gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>>
>>>> Once a database is sorted, it is always that way.
>>>> (Though this does not apply to pgn files or read-only databases).
>>>> If you sort by date, after re-opening the database it will still be
>>>> sorted, but the little triangle on the date column heading will not be
>>>> shown.
>>>> See the sort help topics.
>>>>
>>>> Alternatively , you may also wish to set a database to autoload the
>>>> last game (Maintenance window->Autoload game)
>>>>
>>>> S.A.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 4:45 AM, Maksim Grinman <maxc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>>>>> list to be date desc?
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 3
>>>> Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 18:28:45 -0400
>>>> From: Maksim Grinman <maxc...@gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
>>>> To: scidvspc mailing list <scidvspc-users@lists.sourceforge.net>
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>          <
>>>> cagrtvodb8nix2aj6bdgjge3qkc5kq0wxufzdzxd4sqhjv8q...@mail.gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>>
>>>> That works well, but I was hoping for a way to keep the default sorted
>>>> descending (latest at the top) rather than oldest first. If it's a
>>>> feature worth adding, maybe point me to the place in the code where I
>>>> can look? I'm might tinker with it (not familiar with the codebase).
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Maksim Grinman <maxc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>>>>> list to be date desc?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 4
>>>> Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 00:41:31 +0100
>>>> From: Valente Silva <gu...@netcabo.pt>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
>>>> To: scidvspc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
>>>> Message-ID: <5546b22b.8060...@netcabo.pt>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>>>>
>>>> Click on top of the date column and you can sort it ascending or
>>>> descending. Or type Control+End and you go to the end of the list, then
>>>> up... I don't see the need to get more than this.
>>>>
>>>> On 03-05-2015 23:28, Maksim Grinman wrote:
>>>>> That works well, but I was hoping for a way to keep the default sorted
>>>>> descending (latest at the top) rather than oldest first. If it's a
>>>>> feature worth adding, maybe point me to the place in the code where I
>>>>> can look? I'm might tinker with it (not familiar with the codebase).
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Maksim Grinman <maxc...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>>>>>> list to be date desc?
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud
>>>>> Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
>>>>> Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights
>>>>> Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
>>>>> http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud
>>>> Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
>>>> Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights
>>>> Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
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>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 22:58:46 +0100
>>> From: Valente Silva <gu...@netcabo.pt>
>>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 1
>>> To: scidvspc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
>>> Message-ID: <5547eb96.3060...@netcabo.pt>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>>>
>>> Ascending is the standard for databases, ever was. For some reason we
>>> learned the alphabet like a-b-c and the numeric system like 1-2-3.
>>>
>>> On 04-05-2015 15:55, Maksim Grinman wrote:
>>>> It's a matter of defaults. Maybe I'm alone in this, but when you open
>>>> a games file, say your pgn of blitz games online, don't you want it to
>>>> open with the most recent games on top?
>>>>
>>>> On May 4, 2015 8:00 AM, <scidvspc-users-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net
>>>> <mailto:scidvspc-users-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>      Send Scidvspc-users mailing list submissions to
>>>>      scidvspc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
>>>>      <mailto:scidvspc-users@lists.sourceforge.net>
>>>>
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>>>>      https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scidvspc-users
>>>>      or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>>>      scidvspc-users-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net
>>>>      <mailto:scidvspc-users-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net>
>>>>
>>>>      You can reach the person managing the list at
>>>>      scidvspc-users-ow...@lists.sourceforge.net
>>>>      <mailto:scidvspc-users-ow...@lists.sourceforge.net>
>>>>
>>>>      When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>>>>      than "Re: Contents of Scidvspc-users digest..."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>      Today's Topics:
>>>>
>>>>         1. Game list default ordering (Maksim Grinman)
>>>>         2. Re: Game list default ordering (Steve A)
>>>>         3. Re: Game list default ordering (Maksim Grinman)
>>>>         4. Re: Game list default ordering (Valente Silva)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>      ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>      Message: 1
>>>>      Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 14:45:57 -0400
>>>>      From: Maksim Grinman <maxc...@gmail.com <mailto:maxc...@gmail.com>>
>>>>      Subject: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
>>>>      To: scidvspc mailing list <scidvspc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
>>>>      <mailto:scidvspc-users@lists.sourceforge.net>>
>>>>      Message-ID:
>>>>
>>>>      
>>>> <CAGRtvOcfH_fBbfU_SVLZNEPEYL2X_DBhABbOQzahym0efDAb=g...@mail.gmail.com 
>>>> <mailto:g...@mail.gmail.com>>
>>>>      Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>>
>>>>      Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>>>>      list to be date desc?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>      ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>      Message: 2
>>>>      Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 06:51:47 +1000
>>>>      From: Steve A <stevena...@gmail.com <mailto:stevena...@gmail.com>>
>>>>      Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
>>>>      To: Maksim Grinman <maxc...@gmail.com <mailto:maxc...@gmail.com>>,
>>>>             scidvspc-users
>>>>              <scidvspc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
>>>>      <mailto:scidvspc-users@lists.sourceforge.net>>
>>>>      Message-ID:
>>>>
>>>>      
>>>> <CAKDNZpFi82oj5vzdUvmxDM9aaA65jjjgSOt-6afKX_sPxP+F=w...@mail.gmail.com 
>>>> <mailto:w...@mail.gmail.com>>
>>>>      Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>>
>>>>      Once a database is sorted, it is always that way.
>>>>      (Though this does not apply to pgn files or read-only databases).
>>>>      If you sort by date, after re-opening the database it will still be
>>>>      sorted, but the little triangle on the date column heading will not be
>>>>      shown.
>>>>      See the sort help topics.
>>>>
>>>>      Alternatively , you may also wish to set a database to autoload the
>>>>      last game (Maintenance window->Autoload game)
>>>>
>>>>      S.A.
>>>>
>>>>      On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 4:45 AM, Maksim Grinman <maxc...@gmail.com
>>>>      <mailto:maxc...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>      > Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>>>>      > list to be date desc?
>>>>      >
>>>>      >
>>>>      
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>      > One dashboard for servers and applications across
>>>>      Physical-Virtual-Cloud
>>>>      > Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
>>>>      > Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
>>>>      Insights
>>>>      > Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
>>>>      > http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
>>>>      > _______________________________________________
>>>>      > Scidvspc-users mailing list
>>>>      > Scidvspc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
>>>>      <mailto:Scidvspc-users@lists.sourceforge.net>
>>>>      > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scidvspc-users
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>      ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>      Message: 3
>>>>      Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 18:28:45 -0400
>>>>      From: Maksim Grinman <maxc...@gmail.com <mailto:maxc...@gmail.com>>
>>>>      Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
>>>>      To: scidvspc mailing list <scidvspc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
>>>>      <mailto:scidvspc-users@lists.sourceforge.net>>
>>>>      Message-ID:
>>>>
>>>>      <cagrtvodb8nix2aj6bdgjge3qkc5kq0wxufzdzxd4sqhjv8q...@mail.gmail.com 
>>>> <mailto:cagrtvodb8nix2aj6bdgjge3qkc5kq0wxufzdzxd4sqhjv8q...@mail.gmail.com>>
>>>>      Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>>
>>>>      That works well, but I was hoping for a way to keep the default sorted
>>>>      descending (latest at the top) rather than oldest first. If it's a
>>>>      feature worth adding, maybe point me to the place in the code where I
>>>>      can look? I'm might tinker with it (not familiar with the codebase).
>>>>
>>>>      On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Maksim Grinman <maxc...@gmail.com
>>>>      <mailto:maxc...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>      > Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>>>>      > list to be date desc?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>      ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>      Message: 4
>>>>      Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 00:41:31 +0100
>>>>      From: Valente Silva <gu...@netcabo.pt <mailto:gu...@netcabo.pt>>
>>>>      Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
>>>>      To: scidvspc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
>>>>      <mailto:scidvspc-users@lists.sourceforge.net>
>>>>      Message-ID: <5546b22b.8060...@netcabo.pt
>>>>      <mailto:5546b22b.8060...@netcabo.pt>>
>>>>      Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>>>>
>>>>      Click on top of the date column and you can sort it ascending or
>>>>      descending. Or type Control+End and you go to the end of the list,
>>>>      then
>>>>      up... I don't see the need to get more than this.
>>>>
>>>>      On 03-05-2015 23:28, Maksim Grinman wrote:
>>>>      > That works well, but I was hoping for a way to keep the default
>>>>      sorted
>>>>      > descending (latest at the top) rather than oldest first. If it's a
>>>>      > feature worth adding, maybe point me to the place in the code
>>>>      where I
>>>>      > can look? I'm might tinker with it (not familiar with the codebase).
>>>>      >
>>>>      > On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Maksim Grinman
>>>>      <maxc...@gmail.com <mailto:maxc...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>      >> Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>>>>      >> list to be date desc?
>>>>      >
>>>>      
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>      > One dashboard for servers and applications across
>>>>      Physical-Virtual-Cloud
>>>>      > Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
>>>>      > Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
>>>>      Insights
>>>>      > Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
>>>>      > http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
>>>>      > _______________________________________________
>>>>      > Scidvspc-users mailing list
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>>>>      > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scidvspc-users
>>>>      >
>>>>      >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>      ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>      
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>      One dashboard for servers and applications across
>>>>      Physical-Virtual-Cloud
>>>>      Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
>>>>      Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
>>>>      Insights
>>>>      Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
>>>>      http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
>>>>
>>>>      ------------------------------
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud
>>>> Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
>>>> Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights
>>>> Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
>>>> http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
>>>>
>>>>
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>>> Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
>>> http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
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