I also use MATE, and often issue direct text based commands in the
standard Linux CLI, bash (that has enough csh and korn shell features to
make it useful). I do install a number of KDE GUI utilities as some of
the KDE programs do what I need. Now that Ubuntu 20 LTS is in
production, I shall be updating my wife's Ubuntu 18 LTS machine to
Ubuntu 20 LTS; my understanding is that unlike EL for which a major
release upgrade requires a new install (for which the simplest thing in
most machines is to install a new "fresh" harddrive, install EL N++ from
media -- typically a bootable USB "thumb drive", and then using the old
drive, recursively copy /home and other non-systems directories onto the
new system drive for a laptop, I use an external USB "drive holder" to
access the drive), LTS allows one to upgrade from major release N to
major release N++ (e.g., 18 to 20) in place. A number of LTS users have
informed me that they routinely do this with no ill consequences.
Ubuntu (Canonical) advertises: Canonical is the publisher of Ubuntu,
the OS for most public cloud workloads as well as the emerging
categories of smart gateways, self-driving cars and advanced robots. Is
this advert factual? If so, why is HEP staying with EL -- is it inertia
or are there significant stability advantages to EL over LTS?
Yasha Karant
On 5/19/20 10:23 PM, Konstantin Olchanski wrote:
Metoo. I use the MATE desktop, as the least annoying of all
desktops available on all three of el6, el7 and Ubuntu LTS 18.04.
As for el8, officially everything except some gnome is removed,
KDE was never available, probably still not available, so meh.
FWIW, I am evaluating el8 and ubuntu LTS 20.04 in parallel, so far,
el8/ubuntu package versions: python 3.6/3.8, gcc 8.x/9.x, php 7.2/7.4;
Ubuntu can boot from zfs (18.04 you have to follow a check list, 20.04
supposedly the installer can install straight to ZFS). On el8 I will not even
try
boot from ZFS, for sure there is some systemd bogosity that will
prevent it from working (like systemd refused to boot from degraded btrfs).
Sorry to bring this up again, but other than for nostalgia and inertia,
there is not much point to el8.
K.O.
On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 09:48:28PM -0700, Keith Lofstrom wrote:
On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 4:45 PM Keith Lofstrom <[email protected]> wrote:
I've done my feeble best to compile Mate for CentOS 8; my
result is not completely broken, but not ready for use.
Some of the graphics fails. "Mate8" seems to leak memory.
On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 05:08:34PM -0700, Akemi Yagi wrote:
There is a thread on the CentOS mailing list about Mate for el8 that you
may want to take a look:
lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2020-May/350284.html
Thanks for that; about six messages down that thread is
a pointer to a webpage discussing compiled packages:
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__copr.fedoracloud.org_coprs_stenstorp_MATE&d=DwIBAg&c=gRgGjJ3BkIsb5y6s49QqsA&r=gd8BzeSQcySVxr0gDWSEbN-P-pgDXkdyCtaMqdCgPPdW1cyL5RIpaIYrCn8C5x2A&m=Q6LCVHs6caad7nOhlIGsnO-ZZUhyem88W6GHqfhenh8&s=7XyJM3wNZhcVzu5ozYZvc9sKtl4zp0lRlr7HMXiXXP8&e=
I will copy my borked home compilations to backups, then
install that version of MATE. Many of us are installing
MATE; I probably made my clumsy attempts prematurely.
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To others who suggest alternate ways to use linux ... thanks,
but I'm an old dog, and a gnome2 user since it was a puppy.
MATE comes closest.
My "new trick" schedule is overloaded with math and physics
skills that I hope to learn soon, skills that would have
been much easier to learn 50 years ago.
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Finding the gnome3 text rendering flaw will be more difficult.
That flaw is why my subnotebooks still run SL6.
Keith
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