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On 12/9/20 8:25 PM, Yasha Karant wrote:
If my recollection of the history is correct, CentOS and Princeton EL
were separate from SL. CentOS originally was a "volunteer" effort
building from RHEL source, with RH personnel monitoring the CentOS
"lists" because CentOS had a wider range of an installed base on
enthusiast and home user systems, in addition to "professional"
systems (such as the HP Zbook laptop workstation that I use). The
earlier SL major releases had some differences in the base installed
system from EL "stock", whereas CentOS did not. Later major releases
of SL essentially were the same in the "base" as EL (in all cases,
logos must change). I never worked with the Princeton release. When
RH (not Fedora -- real production RH) was an executable installable
supported distro, pre-EL, we used that, licensed for free for
"personal" use. Prior to RH, I was using Debian (the GNU Linux), and
once RH had no executable installable supported distro, I switched to
CentOS. I then switched to SL because CentOS was having issues and SL
was professionally produced (Fermilab/CERN) with the level of
professional support we needed (that is, this list, plus Fermilab SL
support staff who would fix some things -- such as inconsistencies or
missing components in the standard SL distro -- we do NOT need nor use
"commercial cradle to grave" handholding support, unlike the
University IT division for which everything essentially is outsourced
to for-profit vendors, as part of the USA scheme for public funding of
private for-profit entities and wealth transference to the wealthy.
With the demise of SL 8 and the purchase of RH and CentOS by IBM, I
switched to Ubuntu LTS. If Canonical goes the way of RH, then I
suppose I will look at Debian again.
On 12/9/20 10:47 AM, Konstantin Olchanski wrote:
Very curious how CERN and Fermilab will respond to this.
I guess that CERN was caught red-handed as well.
(wrong metaphor? you wanted "with pants down" or "off guard" or
something like that?
there is no evidence that CERN was "in" on this change, yes?)
They have already started to port their internal systems to CentOS8
according to the
recent site report at HEPiX:
https://indico.cern.ch/event/898285/contributions/4015535/attachments/2120621/3569557/CERN_Site_Report_-_HEPiX_Autumn_2020_v2.pdf
As one may remember, CERN Linux, SL and CentOS only exist because
CERN could
not agree with Red Hat on the licensing scheme for LHC-scale computing.
(I guess, at the LHC scale, even small numbers like $1/license become
unworkable).
BTW, in other news,
I see the CentOS wiki was changed to read "CentOS-8 full updates and
Maintenance Updates"
from "May 2024 and May 2029" to "December 2021 and December 31, 2021",
see
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and
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