I heard the term and thought I understood it, but Martin was so derogatory, I feared there was more context needed. So martin.... I'm waiting for your definition
Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Thanks, James. Tracey, if you ever read videogame magazines or websites, > you'll run across the term "fanboy" all the time. The fanboys in the > videogame world are rabid. It's especially big in Japan, where many > videogame expos are open to the public (unlike America, where the biggest > were typically industry-only). Also in Japan anime and gaming are much more > married than in the US, and more relatively more people get into such. You > ought to see the pics of guys dressed up in green tops and white leggings > like Link (the hero of the Zelda videogames), or ladies with skimpy clothing > and purple hair like a character from the wildly popular Final Fantasy or > Dragonquest role playing games. As more and more people in the US start > gaming--and more and more leave comics behind--the term's becoming very > common here as well. > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanboy > > __________________________________________________________ > James Landrith > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > cell: 703-593-2065 * fax: 760-875-8547 > AIM: jlnales * ICQ: 148600159 > MSN and Yahoo! Messenger: jlandrith > Taking the Gloves Off - http://www.jameslandrith.com > The Multiracial Activist - http://www.multiracial.com > The Abolitionist Examiner - http://www.multiracial.com/abolitionist/ > __________________________________________________________ > > >> I have heard the term "fanboys" but I don't know what it means. Can >> somebody clarify? >> >> Thanks >> >> tracey >> >> Martin wrote: >> >>> Whenever I do, it seems as though they're trying to be the online >>> version of Starlog. Apologies for any shocks to the system I may have >>> caused. THey seem to bemore fanboys than fans, and I abhor fanboys. To >>> them, it's not SF, it's reality they just can't experience first-hand. >>> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net> wrote: >>> Why do you say that? I've never read their site much. >>> >>> -------------- Original message -------------- >>> From: Martin >>> Remember at all times, keith- this is someone from SyFy talking. Their >>> acquaintance with the genre is passing at best, IMO. >>> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net> wrote: >>> Some comments on her comments: >>> >>> One, I'd take Whedon's work anyday over many others, but I was >>> concerned he was going to do another "Buffy" treatment on Wonder >>> Woman. I think I'd read that he planned to make Diana younger than is >>> typically portrayed in comics--probably more like 19 or 20, as opposed >>> to Diana's apparent age of mid- to late-twenties. Whedon loves very >>> young women, but I really wasn't looking forward to another young >>> waiflike girl dealing with pain and heartache. Thats one reason I >>> didnt' like Kate Bosworth as Lois Lane: she looked and acted too young >>> for my tastes. I'd rather deal with the more mature warrior than the >>> little girl lost in Patriarch's World. Someone like Charisma Carpenter! >>> :) >>> >>> Having Wonder Woman in WWII is not necessarily a bad thing, if done >>> well. If we could get the guys behind "Hellboy" or "V: For Vendetta" >>> to do it, WWII could be a fantastic backdrop for a superhero battle. >>> Often some of the coolest scifi is set in the time period of rougly >>> from the 1890s to the 1940s. Something about the old tech--vacuum >>> tubes, Iron Giant looking robots, etc.--is often really cool in scifi >>> themes. The only issue they seem to have overlooked is that Wonder >>> Woman in WWII has been retconned by DC to be Queen Hippolyta, Diana's >>> mother. Diana was thus the second woman to wear the mantle of Wonder >>> Woman, and did it in modern times. >>> >>> I disagree with her that "Sin City" was a snoozefest (it was great), >>> that "Hellboy" was only passable (it was awesome), and so was >>> "Fantastic Four" (it sucked). >>> >>> -------------- Original message -------------- >>> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" >>> Action Or Angst? What Do We Want In Our Superheroes? >>> COMMENTARY: Can 'Wonder Woman' succeed purely as action hero? >>> >>> By ROBIN BROWNFIELD >>> Source: SyFy Portal >>> Feb-04-2007 >>> >>> When Joss Whedon announced almost two years after signing on to write >>> and direct a "Wonder Woman" movie that he was no longer attached to the >>> project, the air of shock around the Internet was almost palpable. >>> >>> Around the same time, David S. Goyer, who wrote the story and co-wrote >>> the screenplay for "Batman Begins," was told his vision for the movie >>> "The Flash" was not what Warner Bros. producers wanted, and the movie >>> has been shelved for now. >>> >>> The story behind the "Wonder Woman" movie, it seems, is that Warner >>> Bros. has purchased a speculative script from newcomers Matthew Jennison >>> and Brent Strickland, and is ready to bring them on board to replace >>> Whedon. >>> >>> All this leads to the question, "What do people want out of a superhero >>> movie? An escapist action romp or fully fleshed-out characters facing >>> the most painful decisions of their lives?" >>> >>> While it is uncertain what Whedon has done with "Wonder Woman," it seems >>> Joel Silver and company want an action-oriented story set against the >>> backdrop of World War II -- the time period when Wonder Woman comics >>> debuted. Whedon's vision places Princess Diana in the present day. Based >>> on his previous works ("Buffy the Vampire Slayer," "Angel," "Firefly," >>> "Serenity"), one can safely assume that his Wonder Woman would be a >>> fully fleshed out character, complete with goddess-like strength, and >>> human foibles. She would most likely be surrounded by fully developed >>> supporting characters, and the story that unwinds would largely grow out >>> from and be advanced by the characters themselves. >>> >>> We could also count on sharp, engaging dialogue where every word is >>> measured and infused with meaning. >>> >>> A synopsis of the Jennison/Strickland script has been posted on the >>> Internet. It is filled with highly charged action, it appears to move >>> quickly, and is balanced with sharp contrasts between scenes. It looks >>> like it could be exciting, but because there is no dialogue, and the >>> focus is strictly on the action in the movie, it makes me fear that >>> there will be little in the way of actual character development. There >>> also is no indicator as to whether the two can write dialogue well. It's >>> possible that they can, but in the end, what I read is the basis for a >>> largely formulaic movie with lots of loud sounds, flashy visuals and >>> action. I don’t see the groundwork laid for creating characters >>> people >>> in the audience can identify with. >>> >>> People need to be able to identify with the characters in a movie. They >>> have to be able to feel with the characters and understand why it is >>> they do what they do. The X-Men and Spider-Man movies have been the best >>> of any in the genre. X-Men movies have been analogous to the struggles >>> with racism and homophobia. In both X-Men and Spider-Man, people can >>> identify with the characters' perpetually feeling like outsiders. Each >>> has unique qualities that allow them to do amazing things, and yet, >>> people in general and/or in their immediate surroundings, rarely, if >>> ever, recognize and appreciate this. >>> >>> Most real people can identify with this scenario. How many of us have >>> proven time and time again that we are unique, intelligent and superbly >>> talented people whose accomplishments go largely unnoticed by many or >>> most of the people around us? It is the same kind of scenario that makes >>> "Buffy" so popular. We now see the same happening with characters in the >>> TV show "Heroes." >>> >>> It was Peter Parker's angst that drew me to Spider-Man comics as a kid. >>> I often skipped over the action parts of the stories just to catch what >>> was happening in Peter's world. I still remember Duo Damsel heartbroken >>> because she was in love with Superboy, but knew he was destined to end >>> up with someone else. Things like that got to me as a child, and they >>> still get to me as an adult. >>> >>> Wonder Woman often struggled with being a powerful woman who was rarely >>> appreciated for it in a man's world. Angst is what makes these heroes >>> accessible to an audience. Going through the human experience even if >>> one is not quite human, or is super-human, endears these characters to >>> us. >>> >>> While it's possible to have a hero who doesn't feel like an outsider or >>> a freak, how that translates into their personality can be problematic. >>> If they are always self-sacrificing, righteous and true, they can end up >>> being downright boring. Then again, someone who doesn't suffer rarely >>> understands the plight of others who are suffering, and usually isn't >>> heroic. Someone like that is likely to come off as arrogant and/or >>> self-obsessed, and uses their power for personal gain. I'm not sure I >>> want to know people who are drawn to this kind of "hero." I might end up >>> being the next person they get all self-righteous and true on. >>> >>> People simply can't identify with an action figure. An action figure may >>> present an amusing visual and aural experience, but so does a musical >>> mobile hanging over a crib. Both are forgettable once they're out of >>> sight. A fully realized human being makes for much longer-lasting >>> "relationship" between the character and the audience than Action >>> Jackson ever can. How many people talk as passionately -- and for years >>> on end -- about Lara Croft as they do about Buffy or River Tam? >>> >>> Then there is the issue of the setting for the movies. Wonder Woman has >>> gone through many eras. She hasn't always been stuck in WWII, as >>> Superman hasn't always been stuck in the 1930s. In the early 1970s, >>> Wonder Woman had been revamped to fit the times. Steve Trevor was >>> killed, she lost her powers, traded in her bathing suit for a >>> mini-dress, and learned martial arts from some old guy named I-ching. >>> While that probably wasn’t the best version of Wonder Woman, it >>> kept >>> her >>> in the present. >>> >>> Since then, WW has been reinvented several more times, keeping her in >>> the present. All the Superman and Batman movies are in the present (or >>> future). Why must Wonder Woman be stuck back in WWII? >>> >>> My favorite DC-based movie last year was "V for Vendetta," which while >>> it wasn't a superhero movie, was the kind of movie I prefer to shell out >>> money to see. I don’t make a whole lot, and I have a lot of kids >>> to >>> feed, so I can't often waste money on something that is a purely >>> escapist formula movie. Most of the superhero/graphic novel movies - >>> regardless of their origins - are lackluster at best. "Daredevil," >>> "Electra," "Catwoman," "Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow," and "Sin >>> City" were all substitutes for Sominex. >>> >>> Unfortunately, superhero movie producers have grandiose expectations, >>> but usually resort to mediocre stories and big special effects or >>> “artful†facades to pass their production off as marketable. >>> “Superman >>> Returns,†while somewhat better than previously mentioned movies, >>> still >>> suffered the fate of presenting a formulaic plot with some bad casting >>> choices (that was NOT Lois Lane), and uneven acting. Hell, Brandon Routh >>> barely got to do anything beyond his Christopher Reeve-as-Clark Kent >>> impression. While Bryan Singer, Michael Dougherty and Dan Harris tried >>> to infuse some humanity and allusions to Supes being Christ-like into >>> the story, the actual plot was simply a rehash of old plots with Lex >>> Luthor abusing different pieces of real estate. >>> >>> There are passably good comic book hero movies out there ("Hellboy," and >>> even "Fantastic Four" to some extent) that take the action formula and >>> make it interesting and entertaining. For far too many, though, the >>> formula starts to become rancid after too long. I had been looking >>> forward to something fresh and different in Joss Whedon's "Wonder >>> Woman." I had hoped it would be the one movie about a female superhero >>> that wasn't abysmal. I can still hope for this. Jennison and Strickland >>> may turn out to be great writers. Still, I’m not going to put >>> much >>> faith >>> in the judgment of movie studio moguls. They have been wrong many times >>> before. >>> >>> Robin Brownfield is a staff writer for SyFy Portal, writing out of New >>> Jersey. She can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> <mailto:rbrownfield%40syfyportal.com>. >>> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will >>> get organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A Man >>> Without A Country" >>> >>> --------------------------------- >>> Have a burning question? Go to Yahoo! Answers and get answers from >>> real people who know. >>> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>> >>> Yahoo! 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