My favorite "hoe" reference involves super Jeopardy player Ken Jennings who, after setting records as the longest reigning Jeopardy champion, was undone by the answer "disreputable person, also a garden implement." To which Jennings responded in the form of a question, "What is a hoe?" (the answer was "What is a rake?").
~rave! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > rave, I won't even allow you cntext. The word is ugly, no matter who uses it or whom it's used on. Everytime I hear it, I'm reminded of the scene from "House Party", in which either Kid or Play (whichever was the lighter of the two) complains to a teacher that a fellow student called his mother a h*e. The teacher looked at the other student and asked him, "Now, why would you refer to his mother as a garden implement?" > > ravenadal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The simple answer to this question is that the "hos" referred to in > rap music are general (and of tenuous, if dubious merit) and the > insult hurled at the Rutgers basketball team is specific and totally > without merit. To expand, the use of "ho" in rap music may even have > context (see Prince's "Darling Nikki"). Imus' insult had no context > whatsoever. Further, the co-mingling of offensive rap lyrics and > Imus' comments is ingenuous and truly the last refuge of this > scoundrel. > > I submit that Imus may have been safe if he had stopped at "tatted > up" and "nappy-headed." Calling this accomplished women "hos" is > where he crossed the line. > > I am curious if any of you can refer me to a rap lyric to me that > similarly and specifically trashes black women of character and > accomplishment. > > I ask because while I enjoy rap music, I never listen to the lyrics, > I only listen to the beats (I don't listen to the lyrics of any > music - imagine my surprise as I was watching "Walk the Line" when > Joachim Phoenix articulated that famous Johnny Cash line from "Folsom > Prison Blues": "I shot a man...just to watch him die." Lord, a > mercy! I'm a scared of hillbillies, now! Somebody got do something > bout that anti-social country music!). > > ~rave! > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "votomguy" <votomguy@> wrote: > > > > While it'll probably be hard for Imus to get work again, a very > > important issue within our community has to be answered. Why is > > it "ok" for us to call our women hos, but if someone outside our > race > > does it we're suddenly up in arms. The saddest thing to me about > the > > whole Imus thing is the la attitude that blacks are taking towards > > our own who refer to women as hos. This whole thing that "it's ok > for > > me to talk about my momma, but you can't talk about my momma." > Imus > > should be held accountable, but the double standard in our > community > > has to go. We can't say zero tolerance and then turn around and > have > > special exceptions. > > > > It's also sad to say, but how much attention do we really pay to > NCAA > > womens basketball. This one team has received more attention then > > any other team in Women's basketball history. Everyone talks about > > their story, but where was all of this coverage before the Imus > > debacle. That is the saddest thing of all in all of this. Would we > > have paid any real attention to these women and what they > > accomplished, or would we have glossed over the story simply saying > > wow that's nice. If anything, we really need to reexamine not only > > how we treat women, but also their accomplishments. > > > > > > > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Martin <truthseeker_013@> wrote: > > > > > > It's a start. Now he has to lose his job, and be unable to obtain > > gainful employment for some time to come, before the collective > > lesson begins to sink in. I was watching "Cold Pizza" on ESPN2 > > yesterday, and one of the commentators said (paraphrasing *very* > > roughly), "if a regualr everyday broadcaster were to have uttered > > such words, he or she would've been fired on the spot." > > > > > > "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <tdlists@> > > wrote: By DAVID CRARY > > > > > > ASSOCIATED PRESS > > > > > > NEW YORK â" Bruce Gordon, former head of the NAACP and a > director > > of CBS > > > Corp., said Wednesday the broadcasting company needs a âzero > > tolerance > > > policyâ on racism and hopes talk-show host Don Imus is fired > for > > his > > > demeaning remarks about the mostly black Rutgers womenâs > > basketball team. > > > > > > âHeâs crossed the line, heâs violated our community,â > > Gordon said in a > > > telephone interview with the Associated Press. âHe needs to > face > > the > > > consequence of that violation.â > > > > > > Gordon, a longtime telecommunications executive, stepped down in > > March > > > after 19 months as head of the National Association for the > > Advancement > > > of Colored People, one of the foremost U.S. civil rights > > organizations. > > > > > > He said he had spoken with CBS chief executive Leslie Moonves and > > hoped > > > the company, after reviewing the situation, would âmake the > smart > > > decisionâ by firing Imus rather than letting him return to the > > air at > > > the end of a two-week suspension that was announced Tuesday. > > > > > > âWe should have a zero tolerance policy when it comes to what I > > see as > > > irresponsible, racist behavior,â Gordon said. âThe Imus > > comments go > > > beyond humor. Maybe he thought it was funny, but thatâs not > what > > > occurred. There has to be a consequence for that behavior.â > > > > > > Gordon said that as a matter of principle, firing Imus should be > an > > easy > > > decision to make, though he respects the right of CBS leadership > to > > > consider all factors. > > > > > > âWhen I look at it from my position as a director, where my > > > responsibility is to represent the best interest of the > > shareholders, > > > itâs more complex,â Gordon said. âBut at the end of the > day, > > the image > > > of CBS is at risk. ... the ad revenue of CBS could be at risk.â > > > > > > âWhat I expect is for management to take the next two weeks to > do > > their > > > homework,â he said. âI hope that the result of their due > > diligence is to > > > terminate Don Imus.â > > > > > > Imus triggered the uproar on his April 4 show, when he referred > to > > the > > > Rutgers players as ânappy-headed hos.â His comments have been > > widely > > > denounced by civil rights and womenâs groups, and two sponsors, > > Staples > > > Inc. and Procter & Gamble Co., have pulled their advertising from > > the > > > radio show. > > > > > > P&G spokesman Terry Loftus said the company pulled ads from the > > show as > > > of last Friday. Another sponsor, Bigelow Tea, said in a statement > > posted > > > on its Web site that the remarks have âput our future > sponsorship > > in > > > jeopardy.â > > > > > > Calls for the radio hostâs dismissal have been growing, > including > > from > > > groups such as the National Organization for Women and the > National > > > Association of Black Journalists. > > > > > > The 10 members of the Rutgers team spoke publicly for the first > > time > > > Tuesday about the on-air comments, made the day after the team > lost > > the > > > NCAA championship game to Tennessee. > > > > > > Some of them wiped away tears as their coach, C. Vivian Stringer, > > > criticized Imus for âracist and sexist remarks that are > > deplorable, > > > despicable, abominable and unconscionable.â The women, eight of > > whom are > > > black, called his comments insensitive and hurtful. > > > > > > âIt kind of scars us. We grew up in a world where racism > exists, > > and > > > thereâs nothing we can do to change that,â said Matee Ajavon, > a > > junior > > > guard. âI think that this has scarred me for life.â > > > > > > The women agreed, however, to meet with Imus privately next > Tuesday > > and > > > hear his explanation. They held back from saying whether theyâd > > accept > > > Imusâ apologies or passing judgment on whether a two-week > > suspension > > > imposed by CBS Radio and MSNBC was sufficient. > > > > > > Several players said they wanted to ask him why he would make > such > > > thoughtless statements. > > > > > > Junior forward Essence Carson said she had done some research on > > Imus > > > and his past inflammatory and derogatory statements about other > > people. > > > > > > âJust knowing that this has happened time and time before, I > felt > > that > > > it might be time to make a stand,â she said Wednesday on > NBCâs > > âTodayâ show. > > > > > > âHe doesnât know who we are as people,â Carson said. > > âThatâs why we are > > > just so appalled with his insensitive remarks, not only about > > > African-American women, but about women as a whole.â > > > > > > In Washington, White House spokeswoman Dana Perino was asked if > the > > > president thought Imusâ punishment was strong enough, but said > it > > was up > > > to Imusâs employer to decide any further action. > > > > > > âThe president believed that the apology was the absolute right > > thing to > > > do,â Perino said Tuesday. > > > > > > Imus has apologized repeatedly for his comments. He said Tuesday > he > > > hadnât been thinking when making a joke that went âway too > > far.â He also > > > said that those who called for his firing without knowing him, > his > > > philanthropic work or what his show was about would be making an > > > âill-informedâ choice. > > > > > > MSNBC has said it will watch to see whether Imus changes the > tenor > > of > > > future programs. > > > > > > The radio show originates from WFAN-AM in New York City and is > > > syndicated nationally by Westwood One, both of which are managed > by > > CBS > > > Corp. (MSNBC, which simulcasts the show on cable, is a part of > NBC > > > Universal, which is owned by General Electric Co.) > > > > > > Associated Press writer Rebecca Santana in Piscataway, N.J., > > contributed > > > to this report > > > http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? > > AID=/20070411/ENT03/70411004/0/NEWS03 > > > > > > Sponsors Abandon Imus as Rutgers Gals Await Face-off > > > > > > Big-ticket advertisers such as Procter & Gamble and Staples have > > pulled > > > their green from Don Imus' morning program in the wake of a > racist > > > comment the broadcaster made about the Rutgers women's basketball > > team. > > > Bigelow Tea has similarly suspended its advertising, and may yank > > it all > > > together, but GM and AMEX are standing pat (though the latter > > intends to > > > "monitor" the show going forward, says the New York Daily News). > > > > > > The Rutgers players, meanwhile, expressed their feelings to the > > press on > > > Tuesday, saying Imus has "stolen a moment of pure grace" from the > > NCAA > > > finalists. With an eye to their to-be-scheduled face-to-face with > > Imus, > > > one player said she wants to ask him, "'Now that you've met me, > am > > I a > > > ho?' Unless they've given 'ho' a new definition, that's not what > I > > am. > > > http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-Editors- > Blog/Todays- > > News/Sponsors-Abandon-Imus/800012560 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels > > will get organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt > Vonnegut, "A > > Man Without A Country" > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate > > > in the Yahoo! 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