Hey Veronica: Glad to see your post. :) Do not quell your cynicism. In my opinion it protects you. Racisim is alive and well (even thriving, cultivated and growing) here in America The facts are not in. Someone on the suggested that Republicans voted for Obama in higher numbers than Huckabee as part of an effort to know out Edwards and Hilary who some may perceive to be more electable. While I have not seen numbers to back that up yet, I would not be surprised if it were true. Its been done before. If is true, then this is simply business as usually.
I know you are really busy these days, but don't be a stranger to the board :) --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "vhenry_89147" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Tracey, > > I also had feeling about how impossible it was for Obama to win a > nomination, let alone the presidency of the United States. > > Perhaps his win in Iowa is an indication that my cynicism over race > relations in America can someday be quelled. Let's hope. In any event, > guess we'll see what happens in New Hampshire. > > It still burns me up that some people continue to group the behavior > of Black people in one all encompassing bucket. If I fit into that > bucket, I wouldn't love science fiction the way I do, reading or > writing it. For that matter, I wouldn't practice Yoga or have studied > computer science either, right? > > Veronica > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly > Tracey L. Minor)" <tdlists@> wrote: > > > > Me, like a lot of Blacks who have experienced racism, could not see > > White America voting for Obama -- a Black guy. We'd seen some real > > racist stuff come out of even the nicest people. Surely these people > > could not vote for someone that has a member of a race that they > > harbored such ugly thoughts and feelings about. . Then tonite > > happened. Obama won big in a state with only 2% Blacks. After a great > > deal of thought, I think I figured out how he won and why it is > possible > > for him to win. There are two factors involved: > > > > 1. Most people - even the nicest people have unconscious biases > against > > people who are different from them. This often comes in the form of > > racism when it comes to Black/White relations. Most of the time, they > > are not even aware of them, nor do they cultivate these feeling, and > > when confronted with some act that shows that the person obviously has > > that bias, he or she will adamantly deny it, because he or she does not > > see him or herself that way. So if you do not consciously see your > > self as someone who dislikes Blacks, then why would you not vote for > him > > if you thought he was the best candidate. Think out it, theoretically > > those people you talk to that do not believe that racism is so > prevalent > > and that when you experience a racist act, you are being hypersensitive > > or pulling the race card, are potential Obama voters. i personally > know > > one or too who seem to like Obama > > > > 2. When I was growing up and even as a young adult, I would meet > people > > who really liked and seem to accept me who said to me, "You do not act > > like a Black person" Or they would say some horrible thing about > > Blacks to me. When I would ask them then what are you doing with > me. I > > would here something like, "well you are not like them." this stuff > > used to burn me up. I can't tell you how many people I kicked to the > > curb over this stuff. Now I think most Whites who feel this way, know > > better then to express these thought out loud. (Biden being the > > exception ) Remember how complimentary Biden was about Obama being > > "articulate?" I suspect that Obama has probably had many encounters > like > > the two I described above. He is able to blend in and be accepted by > > people from a variety of backgrounds. For that reason, I think people > > who might not be overt racists - who do not see themselves as racist, > > might not have a problem voting for him. So its off to New Hampshire > > and believe or now, the polls show that he is poised to beat Hilary. > > > > KeithBJohnson@ wrote: > > > Wow, i thought Edwards would take first place by a percentage > point over Obama, with Hillary in third. I had Huckabee, Romney, and > McCain as 1-2-3, respectively. Looks like Obama pulled off a major > upset. Huckabee might have some real legs, given that he's a real > fundamentalist Christian in some ways, but supportive of environmental > issues, not averse to taxing for the poor, and pretty well respected > by many Blacks--at least in Arkansas. I never could get with Romney, > not because he's a Mormon, but because his positions have flip-flopped > more than anyone in the last few years. Talk about an opportunistic > chamelon. > > > > > > Now, how does Hillary proceed, given that liberal/independent New > Hampshire might go for Obama and Edwards again, and ditto for South > Carolina and the southern states? Indeed, let this momentum keep > building and we could be looking at an Obama/Edwards ticket, which > just might win the day, though I still have this nagging doubt that > America as a whole will elect a Black man named Obama.... > > > But I could be wrong--i certainly was tonight! > > > > > > **************************** > > > http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/03/iowa.caucuses/index.html > > > > > > With 97 percent of precincts reporting, Obama had the support of > 38 percent of voters, compared to 30 percent for John Edwards and 29 > percent for Hillary Clinton. > > > "The numbers tell us this was a debate between change and > experience, and change won," said CNN political analyst Bill Schneider. > > > Iowa delivered fatal blows to the campaigns of Sen. Chris Dodd of > Connecticut and Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware. Both have decided to > abandon their White House runs. > > > Bill Richardson, who finished fourth, said his campaign plans to > "take the fight to New Hampshire." > > > For the winners of both party's caucuses, it's an age revolt for > Democrats versus a religious revolt for Republicans, Schneider said. > > > On the Democratic side, Obama took 57 percent of the under-30 > vote, according to CNN's analysis of entrance polls. > > > Speaking to supporters, Obama called the night a "defining moment > in history." > > > "You came together as Democrats, Republicans and independents to > stand up and say that we are one nation, we are one people and our > time for change has come." > > > Huckabee's victory can be attributed to his overwhelming support > among evangelical voters and women, the polls indicate. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
