You really think they're rewarding him for past performances, given that most of those were pre-burnout? Also, why "cringe inducing"? The racial aspect? Finally, this idea of combining comedic and dramatic performances in one award never made sense to me. The whole acting process is split broadly into comedy and drama. Other award systems separate comedy and drama. Why doesn't the Academy create Best Comedic Actor/Actress, and Best Dramatic Actor/Actress categories? Every year you hear all the talk about how comedic movies and actors suffer by comparison to weepy dramas. Again, i just don't get it...
-------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "B. Smith" <[email protected]> > I think Downey's nomination is more for his cumulative work this > year. His work was good in Tropic Thunder(cringe inducing but good) > but not really that much better than other comedic performances I saw > last year. > > --- In [email protected], keithbjohn...@... wrote: > > > > Interesting picks. Anyone seen Benjamin Button? Is it worth an > Oscar nomination? I've heard mixed reviews, knew some people who said > it was good, but certainly i've not heard buzz on this > level. "Slumdog Millionaire" certainly is worth the nomination, in > my opinion. However, as always, I'm struck by this whole ridiculous > end-of-year loading, where films released at the end of the year get > the lion's share of nominations. For example, "The Visitor" is a > fantastic movie, even earning a nod for its lead actor, but not > chosen for Best Picture, which is odd. I don't understand the exact > workings of the system, but it's really silly how the "best" films > are held for year-end. Why can't Academy voters make picks throughout > the year? > > > > I also wonder about the focus on so-called star power sometimes. > Angelina Jolie, for example, does a good job in "Changeling", but > it's not what I'd call Oscar quality. And while so much talk is on > Jolie and Winslet and the usual suspects, of greater note to me are > the selections of two black women for Best Supporting roles: Viola > Davis in "Doubt", and Taraji P. Henson in "The Curious Case of > Benjamin Button". And also really noteworthy--and hardly mentioned-- > is the come-from -nowhere nod to Melissa Leo for Best Actress > in "Frozen River". I haven't seen the movie yet, but I've heard > really great things about her performance, and I know she's a great > actress (she played detective Kay Howard on "Homicide"). Yet all the > news and entertainment shows I read today only focused on the same > old stars. One entertainment show I watched even completely omitted > Leo's name when they were reading the nominations! > > > > Oh--and is Robert Downey, Jr. worth it for "Tropic Thunder"? > > > > ********************************************************* > > > > `Button' rules Oscars, Batman's a bridesmaid > > By DAVID GERMAIN > > > > AP Movie Writer > > > > > > BEVERLY HILLS, Calif. "The Curious Case of Benjamin Button" is > the Academy Awards heavyweight with 13 nominations, yet the shadow of > Batman loomed large with the absence of "The Dark Knight" in the best- > picture race. An epic romance that earned a best-actor nomination for > Brad Pitt and a directing spot for David Fincher, "Benjamin Button" > was joined in the best-picture category Thursday by the Richard Nixon > tale "Frost/Nixon," the chronicle of gay-rights leader Harvey Milk > in "Milk," the Holocaust-themed drama "The Reader" and the rags-to- > riches crowd-pleaser "Slumdog Millionaire." > > > > The Batman blockbuster "The Dark Knight" had picked up so much > momentum from honors by Hollywood trade unions that awards watchers > generally thought it would land a best-picture nomination. > > > > "Benjamin Button" producer Frank Marshall said "it was a bit of a > surprise" that his movie would not be competing with "The Dark > Knight" for the top prize. > > > > "The fact that `The Dark Knight' did so well at the box office was > probably a good thing and maybe a not-so-good thing," Marshall > said. "People tend to think films as successful as that are not well > made, but certainly, `Dark Knight' is exceptionally well made." > > > > As expected, "Dark Knight" co-star Heath Ledger earned a supporting- > actor nomination on the one-year anniversary of his death from an > accidental overdose of prescription drugs. If Ledger wins, he would > become only the second actor to receive an Oscar posthumously, > following Peter Finch, the best-actor recipient for 1976's "Network." > > > > Josh Brolin, competing against Ledger with a supporting-actor > nomination for "Milk," said the acclaim for Ledger was bittersweet. > > > > "It's too bad, because every time I think of Heath, I'm split down > the middle," Brolin said. "I think of his performance. I think of the > work that he's done, and then the fact that this tragedy happened. > It's an uncomfortable situation, for sure, but it makes sense to me, > because I thought he did a bang-out job." > > > > "The Dark Knight" picked up seven other nominations for technical > achievement, among them cinematography and visual effects. Yet it > missed out on other major categories, including directing and > screenplay. The directors and writers guilds both had nominated "The > Dark Knight" for their top honors, while the Producers Guild of > America nominated it for the year's best film. > > > > "Benjamin Button" leads a bold batch of best-picture candidates, > among them Golden Globes champ "Slumdog Millionaire," which came in > second at the Oscars with 10 nominations. Based on an F. Scott > Fitzgerald story, "Benjamin Button" stars Pitt as a man aging > backward toward infancy, caught in a tragic romance with the love of > his life (Cate Blanchett) as she ages in the opposite direction. > > > > The Oscars will be a family affair for Pitt, whose romantic partner > Angelina Jolie has a best-actress nomination for the missing-child > drama "Changeling." > > > > The honors for "Benjamin Button" include a directing nomination for > David Fincher and supporting actress for Taraji P. Henson, playing > the black foster mother who raises Pitt's wizened white character. > > > > "What I identified with on the first reading was, she understands > love and how unconditional it is and should be. At the beginning of > the film, she's barren and can't have children, then stumbles on this > funny-looking creature on her doorstep," Henson said. "She's able to > look past race and how odd he looked. She just knew he was a human > being." > > > > Marshall and producing partner Kathleen Kennedy spent 18 years > trying to make "Benjamin Button" and have been rewarded with a > critical and commercial hit as the film crossed $100 million at the > box office last weekend. > > > > The film is "about perseverance, about life, about how you can > control your own destiny. That's kind of what happened here. Finally, > a time came when all the right people came together at the right time > to make the movie," Marshall said. "Live your life forward or > backward, we just hope you live it well. Now to have the audience > respond to the movie has been thrilling." > > > > "Slumdog Millionaire" has found similar acceptance, its poor-boy- > makes-good theme mirroring its success among fans and critics. > > > > Shot on a modest $14 million budget, "Slumdog Millionaire" tells > the alternately heartwarming and horrific tale of a street orphan in > Mumbai whose pursuit of love carries him to triumph on India's > version of "Who Wants to Be a Millionaire." > > > > "Slumdog Millionaire" swept all four categories for which it was > nominated at the Golden Globes, where it won best-picture over a > field that included "Benjamin Button." The film's cast of unknowns > was overlooked for acting nominations, but its Oscar categories > include best-director for Danny Boyle and adapted screenplay for > Simon Beaufoy. > > > > "I just have to keep remembering that the film nearly went straight > to DVD," Beaufoy said, referring to a distribution hitch that nearly > left the film without a theatrical run to qualify for the > Oscars. "There was a week or two when it might never have appeared on > a big screen in the United States, and the fact that it did, and > Americans have taken it to their hearts is just fantastic." > > > > The best-picture field includes two 1970s tales of fallen political > figures. "Frost/Nixon" stars best-actor nominee Frank Langella as the > disgraced president in his battle of wits with TV interviewer David > Frost. "Milk" features best-actor contender Sean Penn as the slain > gay-rights pioneer. > > > > Along with Langella, Penn and Pitt, best-actor picks are Richard > Jenkins in the cross-cultural drama "The Visitor" and Mickey Rourke > in the sports-comeback story "The Wrestler." > > > > Joining Jolie in the best-actress field were Anne Hathaway for the > family drama "Rachel Getting Married," Melissa Leo for the smuggling > saga "Frozen River," Meryl Streep for the Roman Catholic tale "Doubt" > and Kate Winslet for "The Reader." > > > > Winslet plays a woman having a fling with a teenager who encounters > her again years later as she is on trial for Holocaust atrocities. At > the Globes, Winslet was a dual winner, as dramatic actress > for "Revolutionary Road" and supporting actress for "The Reader." But > the Academy saw Winslet's turn in "The Reader" as a leading role, and > one worthy of nomination. It was Winslet's sixth nomination. If she > loses, she will tie the record of Deborah Kerr and Thelma Ritter for > most nominations by an actress without a win. Stephen Daldry, a > directing nominee for "The Reader," suspects Winslet will be going > home with an Oscar. > > > > "I'm delighted for Kate," Daldry said. "I think she did two > astonishing performances in 'Revolutionary Road' and in 'The Reader.' > Whichever one the academy went for, I think it's her year. I think > it's her turn." > > > > The 81st Oscars will be presented Feb. 22 at Hollywood's Kodak > Theatre and broadcast on ABC. > > > > >
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I think Downey's nomination is more for his cumulative work this
year. His work was good in Tropic Thunder(cringe inducing but good)
but not really that much better than other comedic performances I saw
last year.
--- In scifino...@yahoogroups.com , KeithBJohnson@... wrote:
>
> Interesting picks. Anyone seen Benjamin Button? Is it worth an
Oscar nomination? I've heard mixed reviews, knew some people who said
it was good, but certainly i've not heard buzz on this
level. "Slumdog Millionaire" certainly is worth the nomination, in
my opinion. However, as always, I'm struck by this whole ridiculous
end-of-year loading, where films released at the end of the year get
the lion's share of nominations. For example, "The Visitor" is a
fantastic movie, even earning a nod for its lead actor, but not
chosen for Best Picture, which is odd. I don't understand the exact
workings of the system, but it's really silly how the "best" films
are held for year-end. Why can't Academy voters make picks throughout
the year?
>
> I also wonder about the focus on so-called star power sometimes.
Angelina Jolie, for example, does a good job in "Changeling", but
it's not what I'd call Oscar quality. And while so much talk is on
Jolie and Winslet and the usual suspects, of greater note to me are
the selections of two black women for Best Supporting roles: Viola
Davis in "Doubt", and Taraji P. Henson in "The Curious Case of
Benjamin Button". And also really noteworthy--and hardly mentioned--
is the come-from -nowhere nod to Melissa Leo for Best Actress
in "Frozen River". I haven't seen the movie yet, but I've heard
really great things about her performance, and I know she's a great
actress (she played detective Kay Howard on "Homicide"). Yet all the
news and entertainment shows I read today only focused on the same
old stars. One entertainment show I watched even completely omitted
Leo's name when they were reading the nominations!
>
> Oh--and is Robert Downey, Jr. worth it for "Tropic Thunder"?
>
> ********************* ********* ********* ********* *********
>
> `Button' rules Oscars, Batman's a bridesmaid
> By DAVID GERMAIN
>
> AP Movie Writer
>
>
> BEVERLY HILLS, Calif. "The Curious Case of Benjamin Button" is
the Academy Awards heavyweight with 13 nominations, yet the shadow of
Batman loomed large with the absence of "The Dark Knight" in the best-
picture race. An epic romance that earned a best-actor nomination for
Brad Pitt and a directing spot for David Fincher, "Benjamin Button"
was joined in the best-picture category Thursday by the Richard Nixon
tale "Frost/Nixon," the chronicle of gay-rights leader Harvey Milk
in "Milk," the Holocaust-themed drama "The Reader" and the rags-to-
riches crowd-pleaser "Slumdog Millionaire."
>
> The Batman blockbuster "The Dark Knight" had picked up so much
momentum from honors by Hollywood trade unions that awards watchers
generally thought it would land a best-picture nomination.
>
> "Benjamin Button" producer Frank Marshall said "it was a bit of a
surprise" that his movie would not be competing with "The Dark
Knight" for the top prize.
>
> "The fact that `The Dark Knight' did so well at the box office was
probably a good thing and maybe a not-so-good thing," Marshall
said. "People tend to think films as successful as that are not well
made, but certainly, `Dark Knight' is exceptionally well made."
>
> As expected, "Dark Knight" co-star Heath Ledger earned a supporting-
actor nomination on the one-year anniversary of his death from an
accidental overdose of prescription drugs. If Ledger wins, he would
become only the second actor to receive an Oscar posthumously,
following Peter Finch, the best-actor recipient for 1976's "Network."
>
> Josh Brolin, competing against Ledger with a supporting-actor
nomination for "Milk," said the acclaim for Ledger was bittersweet.
>
> "It's too bad, because every time I think of Heath, I'm split down
the middle," Brolin said. "I think of his performance. I think of the
work that he's done, and then the fact that this tragedy happened.
It's an uncomfortable situation, for sure, but it makes sense to me,
because I thought he did a bang-out job."
>
> "The Dark Knight" picked up seven other nominations for technical
achievement, among them cinematography and visual effects. Yet it
missed out on other major categories, including directing and
screenplay. The directors and writers guilds both had nominated "The
Dark Knight" for their top honors, while the Producers Guild of
America nominated it for the year's best film.
>
> "Benjamin Button" leads a bold batch of best-picture candidates,
among them Golden Globes champ "Slumdog Millionaire," which came in
second at the Oscars with 10 nominations. Based on an F. Scott
Fitzgerald story, "Benjamin Button" stars Pitt as a man aging
backward toward infancy, caught in a tragic romance with the love of
his life (Cate Blanchett) as she ages in the opposite direction.
>
> The Oscars will be a family affair for Pitt, whose romantic partner
Angelina Jolie has a best-actress nomination for the missing-child
drama "Changeling."
>
> The honors for "Benjamin Button" include a directing nomination for
David Fincher and supporting actress for Taraji P. Henson, playing
the black foster mother who raises Pitt's wizened white character.
>
> "What I identified with on the first reading was, she understands
love and how unconditional it is and should be. At the beginning of
the film, she's barren and can't have children, then stumbles on this
funny-looking creature on her doorstep," Henson said. "She's able to
look past race and how odd he looked. She just knew he was a human
being."
>
> Marshall and producing partner Kathleen Kennedy spent 18 years
trying to make "Benjamin Button" and have been rewarded with a
critical and commercial hit as the film crossed $100 million at the
box office last weekend.
>
> The film is "about perseverance, about life, about how you can
control your own destiny. That's kind of what happened here. Finally,
a time came when all the right people came together at the right time
to make the movie," Marshall said. "Live your life forward or
backward, we just hope you live it well. Now to have the audience
respond to the movie has been thrilling."
>
> "Slumdog Millionaire" has found similar acceptance, its poor-boy-
makes-good theme mirroring its success among fans and critics.
>
> Shot on a modest $14 million budget, "Slumdog Millionaire" tells
the alternately heartwarming and horrific tale of a street orphan in
Mumbai whose pursuit of love carries him to triumph on India's
version of "Who Wants to Be a Millionaire."
>
> "Slumdog Millionaire" swept all four categories for which it was
nominated at the Golden Globes, where it won best-picture over a
field that included "Benjamin Button." The film's cast of unknowns
was overlooked for acting nominations, but its Oscar categories
include best-director for Danny Boyle and adapted screenplay for
Simon Beaufoy.
>
> "I just have to keep remembering that the film nearly went straight
to DVD," Beaufoy said, referring to a distribution hitch that nearly
left the film without a theatrical run to qualify for the
Oscars. "There was a week or two when it might never have appeared on
a big screen in the United States, and the fact that it did, and
Americans have taken it to their hearts is just fantastic."
>
> The best-picture field includes two 1970s tales of fallen political
figures. "Frost/Nixon" stars best-actor nominee Frank Langella as the
disgraced president in his battle of wits with TV interviewer David
Frost. "Milk" features best-actor contender Sean Penn as the slain
gay-rights pioneer.
>
> Along with Langella, Penn and Pitt, best-actor picks are Richard
Jenkins in the cross-cultural drama "The Visitor" and Mickey Rourke
in the sports-comeback story "The Wrestler."
>
> Joining Jolie in the best-actress field were Anne Hathaway for the
family drama "Rachel Getting Married," Melissa Leo for the smuggling
saga "Frozen River," Meryl Streep for the Roman Catholic tale "Doubt"
and Kate Winslet for "The Reader."
>
> Winslet plays a woman having a fling with a teenager who encounters
her again years later as she is on trial for Holocaust atrocities. At
the Globes, Winslet was a dual winner, as dramatic actress
for "Revolutionary Road" and supporting actress for "The Reader." But
the Academy saw Winslet's turn in "The Reader" as a leading role, and
one worthy of nomination. It was Winslet's sixth nomination. If she
loses, she will tie the record of Deborah Kerr and Thelma Ritter for
most nominations by an actress without a win. Stephen Daldry, a
directing nominee for "The Reader," suspects Winslet will be going
home with an Oscar.
>
> "I'm delighted for Kate," Daldry said. "I think she did two
astonishing performances in 'Revolutionary Road' and in 'The Reader.'
Whichever one the academy went for, I think it's her year. I think
it's her turn."
>
> The 81st Oscars will be presented Feb. 22 at Hollywood's Kodak
Theatre and broadcast on ABC.
>
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