Yea that is the one I was thinking of. On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 5:04 AM, Martin Baxter <truthseeker...@lycos.com>wrote:
> I do, Mr Worf, though I think it was a Next Gen ep. There was a brother and > sister team of scientists studying the phenomenon at length, the sister > vociferously anti-warp drive. She ended up proving her point by testing her > theory with her own ship, killing heerself. > > > > > > ---------[ Received Mail Content ]---------- > > Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Scientists Discuss Causes, Repercussions of > Warp Drive > > Date : Sat, 13 Jun 2009 21:03:18 -0700 > > From : "Mr. Worf" <hellomahog...@gmail.com> > > To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > > You know this reminded me of an episode of Voyager or DS9 where there were > dead spots in the universe where warp drives wouldn't work because the warp > drives were doing something to the tachyons? Anyone remember that episode? > > On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: > > > > > > > *Fascinating stuff, especially the whole thing about whether we live in a > > "1 +1 = 2" or "1 + 1 = 3" universe. But something struck me as odd about > > this article: the subject doesn't fit the title. The title--which I admit > > caught my eye--is all about black holes swallowing Earth. The body of the > > article, however, is more about the Alcubierre drive, how it could work, > and > > whether the method is even the right one for our dimension.The black hole > > danger is only one small, frankly insignificant, facet of the piece. > > Wow: sensationalist, attention-grabbing headlines even in advanced > science? > > Now I know the Apocalypse is near! > > > > ***************************************** > > > > http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2009/06/11/warp-drive-engine-02.html > > > > June 11, 2009* -- "Star Trek" makes faster-than-light travel look easy, > > but according to new calculations by Italian physicists, a warp drive > could > > easily create a black hole that would incinerate any passengers on a > space > > craft and then suck Earth into a black hole > > . > > > > "Warp drives are so far the best case scenario to attain > faster-than-light > > travel," said Stefano Finazzi of Italy's International School for > Advanced > > Studies. This paper "makes it much harder to realize, if not almost > > impossible, warp drives." > > > > *WATCH VIDEO: Explore the possibilities of time travel with Michio Kaku. > > * > > > > In normal physics, nothing can move faster than the speed of light. > > Einstein's theory of relativity forbids it. In normal space any object > > approaching the speed of light will increase in mass exponentially, and > > require an exponential increase in the amount of power needed to propel > it > > forward. > > > > There are two exceptions to this rule however. The first is what's > commonly > > called a worm hole, > > a bridge connecting two different parts of space. A ship crossing this > > bridge would move at below light speed, but still arrive before a beam of > > light that would have had to go the long way around. > > Warp drives are the second and more appealing option. A ship can't move > > through space faster than the speed of light. But with enough energy, > space > > itself can move faster than the speed of light. > > > > Known for the Mexican physicist Michael Alcubierre who originally > developed > > the idea in the 1990's, an Alcubierre warp drive would create a bubble of > > energy behind the ship and > > a lack of energy in front of the ship, like a giant cosmic wave a space > > ship could surf . That > > particular section of space can travel faster than the speed of light in > the > > surrounding space, and anything on or in that bubble will accelerate with > > it. > > > > Finazzi and his colleagues propose creating this bubble of space-time by > > using a massive amount of "exotic matter," or dark energy. (Exactly how > this > > bubble would be created is still a mystery.) According to their > calculations > > and simplified, it would take a huge amount of energy to create the > bubble, > > and then increasing amounts of energy to contain the highly repulsive > dark > > energy. > > > > Eventually the energy would run out. The bubble would rupture, with > > catastrophic effects. Inside the bubble the temperature would rise to > about > > 10^32 degrees Kelvin, destroying almost anything on the bubble. > > > > Anyone watching the ship nearby wouldn't be much better off. > > > > "We know that the warp drive will be destabilized," said Finazzi. "But we > > do not know if it will in the end explode or collapse to a black hole." > > > > > > Other physicists agree with the Italians' calculations, up to a point. > > > > "It's a good paper; their results are sound," said Gerald Cleaver, a > > professor of physics at Baylor University who reviewed the work. The > results > > make sense, at least, when creating warp drive using exotic matter in a > > universe where 1 plus 1 equals 2. > > > > In a universe where 1 plus 1 equals 3, a possibility with string > theoryinstead of the semi classical physics used by the Italians, a stable > warp > > drive is viable. > > > > Last year Cleaver and co-author Richard Obousy detailed a string > > theory-based warp drive that creates a bubble of space time by expanding > one > > of the tiny, rolled-up dimensions (instead of a bubble of dark energy) > > predicted by string theory. > > > > The biggest sticking point to a extra dimension-based warp drive? The > > entire mass of Jupiter would have to be converted into pure energy to > power > > it. > > > > The real question is not whether a warp drive, which by Cleaver's > estimate > > is hundreds of years away, will be stable or not. It's about the > > fundamentals of the universe; do we live in a universe where 1 plus 1 > equals > > 2 or 3? Until scientists can answer that question, there will be > significant > > limitations on scientific models of the universe. > > > > "These papers suggest limitations to what we can and can't do," said > > Cleaver. "We as scientists enjoy these papers because then we can look > for > > ways to get around those limitations." > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! > Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
