Only twelve sons? That doesn't seem like a lot. I know people nowadays who have 
that many, especially some of my relatives from the country! What about 
daughters? 

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        Keith, I just found this link saying that, according to legend, Niall 
had at least 12 sons. Other links say that as many as 8.3% of all men on the 
planet carry his DNA. 

http://www.thegeneticgenealogist.com/2007/12/28/famous-dna-review-part-iii-niall-of-the-nine-hostages/
 

(apologies -- hotlinking again taking the day off) 






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the article doesn't say how many offspring this Irish breeder supposedly 
sired... 

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Henry Louis Gates Jr. , the black professor at the center of the racial story 
involving his arrest outside his Harvard University-owned house, has spoken 
proudly of his Irish roots . 

Strangely enough, he and the Cambridge, Mass., police officer who arrested him, 
Sgt. James Crowley , both trace their ancestry back to the legendary Niall of 
the Nine Hostages . 

In a PBS series on African-American ancestry that he hosted in 2008, Gates 
discovered his Irish roots when he found he was descended from an Irish 
immigrant and a slave girl. 

He went to Trinity College in Dublin to have his DNA analyzed. There he found 
that he shared 10 of the 11 DNA matches with offspring of Niall of the Nine 
Hostages, the fourth century warlord who created one of the dominant strains of 
Irish genealogy because he had so many offspring. 

onically, James Crowley , whose name in Gaelic means "hardy warrior," is also 
descended from the same line as Gates, having very close links to Niall of the 
Nine Hostages. 

So the two men who took part in what is now an infamous confrontation outside 
the Gates home near Harvard this month are actually related through common 
Irish lineage -- one of the more extraordinary aspects of the incident that has 
sparked worldwide headlines. 

Gates is one of many famous African-Americans with Irish heritage, including 
President Barack Obama and award-winning author Alice Walker. 

On the PBS series, Gates visits Trinity College to find his roots, and says to 
the genealogist, "Do I look like an Irishman to you? I'm here to find my roots. 
I've been looking all over Africa and I couldn't find anybody, so I ended up 
here. 

"I'm descended from a white man, he says. "A white man who slept with a black 
slave. And we know from the analysis of my DNA that ... goes back to Ireland. 
So maybe you can help me." 

When the genealogist tells him he does indeed have Irish links, Gates says, "I 
find this oddly moving. It is astonishing," he says, "that I have a kinship 
with someone (Niall of the Nine Hostages) dating back to the fourth century 
A.D." 

Millions of Irish Americans, especially those in New York, may be directly 
descended, like Gates, from Niall of the Nine Hostages, the most prolific 
warrior in Irish history. 

A team of geneticists at Trinity College led by professor Dan Bradley have 
discovered that as many as 3 million men worldwide may be descendents of the 
Irish warlord, who was the Irish "High King" at Tara, the ancient center of 
Ireland from A.D. 379 to A.D. 405. 

The story of Niall of the Nine Hostages is already the stuff of legend, which 
has been passed on to countless Irish schoolchildren over the years. 

The supposedly fearless leader battled the English, the Scots, the French and 
even the Romans, and struck fear into the heart of his enemies. His dynasty 
lasted for centuries, continuing up until the Elizabethan conquest of Ireland 
at the end of the 16th century. 

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=8195564&page=1 

http://www.thegeneticgenealogist.com/2007/12/28/famous-dna-review-part-iii-niall-of-the-nine-hostages/
 


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds 

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