Yeah, I remain troubled by that. The attitude "If you can afford it and want to improve your looks, why not?" doesn't address the underlying problem of why people think their native looks are unattractive. Asian women cutting the epicanthic folds is bad enough. Saddest of all to me is that the number of Latina and Black women in this country getting plastic surgery is going up. I listened to two plastic surgeons on NPR discuss it recently. For most people of color here, the thing seems to be making the nose narrower--kinda look the foolishness Janet Jackson did to her nose, which complemented her face much more in its original state. There's lots of reasons why corrective plastic surgery is necessary, but for reasons like this, it's an issue in which we need to teach our children to love themselves and their full lips, narrow eyes, dark skin, curly hair, broad noses, round butts, big legs--whatever.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Mr. Worf" <hellomahog...@gmail.com> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:16:09 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Dr. Who's Blink I think that the US mindset has polluted the rest of the planet. There are women of all nationalities dying their hair and wearing blue contacts. Don't get me started on the plastic surgery thing or Asian women getting their eyes rounded and eyelids changed at the risk of blindness. On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > wrote: Something else I've long admired about the Brits and people in other parts of the world is that they're not as obsessed with skinny blondes as Americans are. I was watching Donna in the Doctor Who marathon and told my wife, "this actress would never have been cast in a similarly hot property in America. She's too heavy, too plain looking (not ugly at all, just kinda has an Everywoman look), and isn't a blonde". She agreed. Note that the actress who plays Rose Tyler would probably be put on a diet in H'Wood. I thought she was perfectly fine--which is a clue she'd be considered overweight by the mainstream. And Freema? They'd make her see a dentist to tone down the front teeth, and probably want her to somehow reduce that butt and those nice legs. I thought the Sister was pretty as can be, but when I glimpsed that lower half in some jeans--after i quit saying "nice!"--I thought, "Man, she's too real looking for most H'Wood suits". Here, people sing the praises of sometimes-plain looking women like Jennifer Anniston, Paris Hilton, or the late Britanny Murphy for being thin. The thinner--and blonder--actresses get, the better. Christ Carter relates that when he was casting "The X-Files", he and David Duchovny had to threaten to quit before the studio would accept Gillian Anderson. The studio demanded a "prettier, thinner blonde" to offset the dark-feature Duchovny, if you can believe that?! There is some diversity creeping back into H'Wood. I'm seeing a return of brunettes being cast as beauties, thank goodness. But even then, look at shows like Gossip Girl or something, and all the women make me almost ill they're so damn thin. What happened to curves?? I'm hoping the rise of people like Jennifer Hudson, Scarlett Johannsen (whose curves I love, but who has been called "borderline" by many) will finally break the mold. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracey de Morsella" < tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 12:32:24 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Dr. Who's Blink They are also good at casting people of color with little or no thought to their ethnicity. I really like that From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 9:26 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Dr. Who's Blink Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Dr. Who's Blink I didn't watch the era with Martha on first run, so the effect wasn't the same on me. But I remember the comments, and I was a bit dismayed at how quickly she lost her mind for the Doctor. I'm really glad they gave her a black husband at the end of the Tennant ep--Rose's ex Mickey! And by the way, I've long noticed the Brits seem to be more comfortable and organic in putting black and white couples together than Americans. how many IR couples has Dr. Who shown? I remember the movie "Love Actually", Keira Knightley's character married Chewotel Edjifor (sp) and it was no biggie. Donna was engaged to a black man when introduce, and married another when Tennant took his leave. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracey de Morsella" < tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 12:12:42 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Dr. Who's Blink I didn't watch the era with Martha on first run, so the effect wasn't the same on me. But I remember the comments, and I was a bit dismayed at how quickly she lost her mind for the Doctor. I'm really glad they gave her a black husband at the end of the Tennant ep--Rose's ex Mickey! And by the way, I've long noticed the Brits seem to be more comfortable and organic in putting black and white couples together than Americans. how many IR couples has Dr. Who shown? I remember the movie "Love Actually", Keira Knightley's character married Chewotel Edjifor (sp) and it was no biggie. Donna was engaged to a black man when introduce, and married another when Tennant took his leave. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracey de Morsella" < tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 12:12:42 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Dr. Who's Blink That is exactly why I liked her. You have to remember, many of us took issue with how they developed Martha to have unrequited love for the doctor, started rumors that her character was leaving, then they denied them, only to have her leave. That would not put the replacement in a very good spot. I will give them credit for having Martha leave with a band, that trek across the world for a year stuff was pretty powerful stuff From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 9:08 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Dr. Who's Blink Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Dr. Who's Blink I liked Donna from the start. Loudmouthed, abrasive, pushy, she was, on closer examination, rather sweet and vulnerable inside. She really was someone who just wanted more out of life, and covered her pain with a tough exterior. She had me from the moment she got on the Tardis--full of gratitude--then took the Doctor to task for his callousness at times. Unlike Rose and Martha, who too quickly lapsed into having schoolgirl crushes on the awesomeness of the Doctor, Donna looked askance at him, as if she finally realized he really was an alien. She often gave him a start with her observations on his behaviour. I think that the way Rose's sweetness and Martha's pluck reminded him of what's important in being human--or humane--Donna's caustic nature reminded him to quit being so detached and get off his duff. They feathered him with kisses, Donna gave him swift kicks to remind him about what matters. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracey de Morsella" < tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 6:58:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Dr. Who's Blink I liked Donna from the start. Loudmouthed, abrasive, pushy, she was, on closer examination, rather sweet and vulnerable inside. She really was someone who just wanted more out of life, and covered her pain with a tough exterior. She had me from the moment she got on the Tardis--full of gratitude--then took the Doctor to task for his callousness at times. Unlike Rose and Martha, who too quickly lapsed into having schoolgirl crushes on the awesomeness of the Doctor, Donna looked askance at him, as if she finally realized he really was an alien. She often gave him a start with her observations on his behaviour. I think that the way Rose's sweetness and Martha's pluck reminded him of what's important in being human--or humane--Donna's caustic nature reminded him to quit being so detached and get off his duff. They feathered him with kisses, Donna gave him swift kicks to remind him about what matters. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracey de Morsella" < tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 6:58:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Dr. Who's Blink The character who surprised me was Donna. I was a Donna hater, from the minute that they announced her as Martha's replacement. See is not my favorite, but she did grow on me -----Original Message----- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Kelwyn Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 2:06 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Dr. Who's Blink I never saw any of the Eccleston episodes (Tom Baker is my Doctor) as I did not rejoin the series until Freema Agyeman joined the cast as the new companion, Martha Jones. During the New Year's Day Marathon, I saw snippets of Eccleston in the Inside the TARDIS episode. Love the leather jacket. I will have to add that season to my Netflix queue. By the by, I thoroughly enjoyed seeing all the David Tennant episodes, especially those with Billie Piper. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , "Tracey de Morsella" <tdli...@...> wrote: > > Eccleston was my Favorite, but some how Tennant got me too. I found parts of > the finale weak, but Tenneant performance was outstanding. I’m gonna miss > him > > > > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On > Behalf Of Keith Johnson > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:40 AM > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Dr. Who's Blink > > > > > > > > > Tracey, that is good news. I had no idea the guy behind "Blink" is the new > showrunner. That bodes well. The new Doctor has very blocky features, almost > like a caveman, and is a big guy to boot. Quite a change, but that's the > idea, eh? I still miss Chris Eccleston in the role. His Doctor had such a > dark , pained side, he was borderline menacing at times. Is he the Doctor who > directly jumped from the final battle with the Daleks where untold millions > died? > > > > What did you think about Tennant's final moments as the Doctor? I was > surprised to see him go not quietly into the night. When he was yelling "I'm > not ready!" it was poignant. > > > > What exactly is the reason for this regeneration (outside the needs of the > producers to keep a show running for decades). How different is the new > Doctor each time? Does he remember every single action, feeling, and thought > his previous incarnation had? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tracey de Morsella" <tdli...@...> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:26:42 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Dr. Who's Blink > > > > It is creepy. The guy who wrote that is the one who took over. He also > wrote the three library articles and Jekyl. While I cannot yet get used to > the new Doctor, I look forward to the storylines > > -----Original Message----- > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com <mailto: scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com > > [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com <mailto: scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com > ] > On > Behalf Of angelababycat > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:09 AM > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com <mailto: scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [scifinoir2] Dr. Who's Blink > > OK, I'm only a recent fan of Dr. Who and still going through all those > marathon eps I recorded last week. But I remember someone mentioning that > Blink was a favorite, so I skipped ahead and watched it late last night. It > was really good. But that person neglected to say it was going to give me > the heebee jeebees so I c ouldn't sleep! > > Angela > > ------------------------------------ > > Post your SciFiNoir Profile at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa > hoo! Groups Links > ------------------------------------ Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo ! Groups Links The character who surprised me was Donna. I was a Donna hater, from the minute that they announced her as Martha's replacement. See is not my favorite, but she did grow on me -----Original Message----- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Kelwyn Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 2:06 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Dr. Who's Blink I never saw any of the Eccleston episodes (Tom Baker is my Doctor) as I did not rejoin the series until Freema Agyeman joined the cast as the new companion, Martha Jones. During the New Year's Day Marathon, I saw snippets of Eccleston in the Inside the TARDIS episode. Love the leather jacket. I will have to add that season to my Netflix queue. By the by, I thoroughly enjoyed seeing all the David Tennant episodes, especially those with Billie Piper. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , "Tracey de Morsella" <tdli...@...> wrote: > > Eccleston was my Favorite, but some how Tennant got me too. I found parts of > the finale weak, but Tenneant performance was outstanding. I’m gonna miss > him > > > > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On > Behalf Of Keith Johnson > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:40 AM > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Dr. Who's Blink > > > > > > > > > Tracey, that is good news. I had no idea the guy behind "Blink" is the new > showrunner. That bodes well. The new Doctor has very blocky features, almost > like a caveman, and is a big guy to boot. Quite a change, but that's the > idea, eh? I still miss Chris Eccleston in the role. His Doctor had such a > dark , pained side, he was borderline menacing at times. Is he the Doctor who > directly jumped from the final battle with the Daleks where untold millions > died? > > > > What did you think about Tennant's final moments as the Doctor? I was > surprised to see him go not quietly into the night. When he was yelling "I'm > not ready!" it was poignant. > > > > What exactly is the reason for this regeneration (outside the needs of the > producers to keep a show running for decades). How different is the new > Doctor each time? Does he remember every single action, feeling, and thought > his previous incarnation had? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tracey de Morsella" <tdli...@...> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:26:42 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Dr. Who's Blink > > > > It is creepy. The guy who wrote that is the one who took over. He also > wrote the three library articles and Jekyl. While I cannot yet get used to > the new Doctor, I look forward to the storylines > > -----Original Message----- > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com <mailto: scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com > > [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com <mailto: scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com > ] > On > Behalf Of angelababycat > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:09 AM > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com <mailto: scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [scifinoir2] Dr. Who's Blink > > OK, I'm only a recent fan of Dr. Who and still going through all those > marathon eps I recorded last week. But I remember someone mentioning that > Blink was a favorite, so I skipped ahead and watched it late last night. It > was really good. But that person neglected to say it was going to give me > the heebee jeebees so I c ouldn't sleep! > > Angela > > ------------------------------------ > > Post your SciFiNoir Profile at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa > hoo! 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